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I'm moving over to the UK from Germany where I1&1 give me a stable 6meg connection that has failed perhaps 3 times in four years and I lost email about the same amount of times. I have no download limit, I also have a good ping time for online games. I am an occasional Homeworker, which means I need to download a hefty 800 meg file in one go about once a week. I don't want a business account, I'm only working from home every now and again..
Now the brain exploding part.
Reading the forums here it seems that not one single ISP in the UK can deliver a service worth having... I've looked and looked and looked and yet the more I dig, the more my head opens up and deposits my brains on the wall in confusion.
Please, please, please, can someone point me in the direction of an ISP that can deliver me a stable broadband. Currently I pay 25
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what do you want then unlimited with FUP or defined limit such as 20 GB ?
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FUP is what again?
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Register (or login) on our website and you will not see this ad.
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FUP = Fair Usage Policy
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FUP stands for Fair Usage Policy.
It's a deception on the part of many ISPs offering "unlimited" services that are anything but unlimited. Such providers will typically offer a service without stating a limit on how much you can use and then have a policy which states (often very vaguely) that if your usage is deemed excesive they may either restrict your usage or cease your service.
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Okay... Getting the picture... What about Eclipse or Zen? Any good?
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Suggest that you check out the Eclipse & Zen forums - I haven't used either personally.
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simpler to define what you want than to suggest ISPs without defining your requirement or specifying the specific package of interest.
As far as I can tell Eclipse are a traffic shaping theme park and Zen are outside your
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As far as I can tell Eclipse are a traffic shaping theme park
pmsl
If Ofcom/the ASA had any teeth they'd force the likes of Virgin/Pipex/Tiscali/Orange/Talk Talk/Plusnet to admit this in their ads as punishment for trying to deceive the masses.
Would be great seeing Uma Thurman whisper this seductively on the telly ads.........
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Okay, let me tell you about my day, you tell me what I need.
I do a small contract, a little bit of home working. This involves downloading a beta copy of the software (once a week - can be at just under a gig). I then sit and test, reporting bugs back via a HTML paged database. I get around 20 or 30 emails per day while doing this. I also need to post to a forum.
I am conected to the internet pretty much the whole day (about three times a week).
Outside of this, I also write books, the proofs of which need to be uploaded as PDF files every day.
I also like to play on-line games, so a ping time would need to be low.
So, I need a large amount of download allowance per month (at least 20gig) and a reliabale email server. I need a download speed around 5-6 meg and a ping time of around 15-20 ms.
How am I doing? Need more details?
And the 20 pound is an estimate. If the service is good, I wil go higher.
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I would definately recommend IDNet
http://www.idnet.co.uk/broadband/pricing.jsp 30 GB/month also
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IDNet's pings have been patchy of late for some customers, so if he's unlucky he won't get the 15-20ms that he needs.
Finally free of the nightmare of CPBB -> Fast24 -> Tiscali
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LOL, Eclipse does indeed offer many shaping rides - best is the traffic shaping roller coaster of 20k/sec during the evenings...
Now, I wouldnt mind if I abused the bandwidth, but I'm not even a heavy user. It seems all are punished!
Pings used to be good in CS....they are slipping though........
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Reading the forums here it seems that not one single ISP in the UK can deliver a service worth having... I've looked and looked and looked and yet the more I dig, the more my head opens up and deposits my brains on the wall in confusion.
Welcome to the UK's joke "Broad" band mate! Trust me you are not alone. Absolutely pathetic isn't it!
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saw an advert for virgin bb, unlimited downloads, ie u can download again and again, but a fup applies, so it is not unlimited 
excaped from eclipse, is is defintaly not the dogs gonads, more like the dogs breakfast, 250-500 kbps over most weekends
look at enta net reseller perhaps, or one of the smaller isp's on the quieter forums
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enta traffic shape too now............albeit in a differing way, but still due to not investing in bandwidth quick enough........
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Wouldn't consider Virgin at the moment, they used to be OK by serious contention issues for past few months, mine varies from 2.3Mb to 19kb.
About 175kb at the moment, 88kb a while ago!
Mike.
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There are some decent ISP's in the UK, despite what the doomongers like Buggerlugz might say.
If you can get LLU then go for be*.
Up to 24 Meg Unlimited and unshaped for
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It's actually an acceptible use policy.
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If you can get LLU..............isn't that a BIG IF?
otherwise being a doom-monger is pretty much correct.........afterall the closest your gonna get to unlimited for a decent price is a off-peak high allowance from a entanet reseller!
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afterall the closest your gonna get to unlimited for a decent price is a off-peak high allowance from a entanet reseller!
If you can't get LLU then you'll have to settle for a reasonably priced capped service.
That's good enough for most.
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Take a look at Newnet
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Keith_thfc: please do name the "decent ISPs" so that we all know where we stand when the day comes that BE falls. Without spending an absolute fortune, being capped greater and having lower speeds, I see nothing that comes even close to BE in the UK. Accordingly, it should be asked just how wise you are repeatedly to encourage more persons from here to join BE? After all, when BE falls (i.e., only a matter of time if general ADSL history continues to repeat itself- which would arguably be much longer without the help of questionably helpful 'promoters') where are we left? The current state of ISPs in this country, where throttling has become virulent, is not a pretty picture. And it's not getting any prettier as time progresses. Buggerluz has a point. And time has proven that ISPs that are hyped adhere to the age old adage about what goes up... In other words, Be really needs no hyping: res ipsa loquitur
(1) Most typos were made in Beijing & exported via London; the rest were homegrown. (2) I dislike being taken for an idiot. But any factual corrections are especially welcome.(3) Albeit, persons whose IQ is above 160 are most welcome to opine that I'm not as clever as they are.
Edited by Nessus (Sun 18-Feb-07 22:19:33)
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What makes you think that BE is going to fail?
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I have no specific knowledge to that effect. For the time being, I hope that I'm wrong. In fact I'd be delighted to be wrong.
Nonetheless, I wrote a lengthy response which was divided into general reasons and specific concerns. However, I've decided against responding in that manner. I prefer just to use the test of time: so, if in a year's time Be is offering the same product, with the same ratio of persons who are content and have not had to introduce capping, shaping or great price increases, I will happily come back to this thread, reopen it and state without any reservation that my humble opinion was completely incorrect. Meanwhile, the examples of other ISPs that were hyped and subsequently failed remain, nonetheless, far too many in number. Can Be be an exception?
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(1) Most typos were made in Beijing & exported via London; the rest were homegrown. (2) I dislike being taken for an idiot. But any factual corrections are especially welcome.(3) Albeit, persons whose IQ is above 160 are most welcome to opine that I'm not as clever as they are.
Edited by Nessus (Sun 18-Feb-07 22:21:39)
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Are you seriously suggesting that people recommending an ISP (for no gain to themselves) are responsible for that ISP's potential future downfall?
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Now O2 have bought Be*, maybe they will "spoil" things a bit, but O2 are such a massive company that I very much doubt they'll fail with LLU. Be* will eventually be rebranded to O2 something or other, so I suppose Be* (as we know it) will end in a way!
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To answer Rsharma:
(A) Are you seriously suggesting that people['s] recommending an ISP (for no gain to themselves) are responsible for that ISP's potential future downfall? No.
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(B) Are you seriously suggesting that people['s] recommending an ISP (for no gain to themselves) is possibly one of the factors or conditions for that ISP's potential future downfall? Yes.
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(1) Most typos were made in Beijing & exported via London; the rest were homegrown. (2) I dislike being taken for an idiot. But any factual corrections are especially welcome.(3) Albeit, persons whose IQ is above 160 are most welcome to opine that I'm not as clever as they are.
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Would tend to agree with Nessus.
As helpful as these sites are, people who look at them with a view to changing ISP and find that the top one is performing twice as well as the ones lower down the ratings are very likely to migrate to the best at the time; which will undoubtedly lead to a poorer service with the new ISP in time.
I know all ISPs are in it purely to make money, it's a business after all; but it is a pity that so many let contention issues get so bad (before rolling out extra equipment) that they then slide down the ratings and the mass migration loop starts all over again.
There are still a few around who offer a good service but at a much higher price; I suppose in this life you simply get what you pay for (with the exception of Virgin who I am with).
It's a pity they all hype up their adverts and promise you the earth, when in reality they are much the same, with bad contention issues at peak times.
Mike.
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(B) Are you seriously suggesting that people['s] recommending an ISP (for no gain to themselves) is possibly one of the factors or conditions for that ISP's potential future downfall? Yes.
I think you have this the wrong way round. If an ISP fails or becomes worse it is because they didn't manage the business properly i.e. not increasing resources, staff, capacity etc. to meet growing demand. To think that consumers are even partly to blame is missing the point wide of the mark.
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Keith_thfc: please do name the "decent ISPs" so that we all know where we stand when the day comes that BE falls. Without spending an absolute fortune, being capped greater and having lower speeds, I see nothing that comes even close to BE in the UK. Accordingly, it should be asked just how wise you are repeatedly to encourage more persons from here to join BE? After all, when BE falls (i.e., only a matter of time if general ADSL history continues to repeat itself- which would arguably be much longer without the help of questionably helpful 'promoters') where are we left? The current state of ISPs in this country, where throttling has become virulent, is not a pretty picture. And it's not getting any prettier as time progresses.
I agree with a lot of what you say but at the end of the day we as consumers have to take some of the blame for this.
As the average person is more bothered about getting "free" or cheap broadband rather than something of high quality.
Over time I think customers will wise up and stop giving their money to the fake
Edited by deleted (Mon 19-Feb-07 11:47:49)
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