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Standard User FilC
(newbie) Thu 09-Feb-12 09:34:44
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Talk Talk in Anglesey


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I am currently with sky broadband and want to change. After looking around the only good deal I can find is talk talk, but I am a bit suspicious as my local exchange is just ADSL max with no LLU (as reported by SamKnows )

Talk Talk is offering me the £3.40 a month deal for 12 months, which I thought would be for they LLU only! I rang now a couple of times and both confirmed that they would honour this deal (also available on-line)! Is that possible that they would offer me this even though they would have to go through BT to provide me Internet?

Thanks for your help,
Fil
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 09-Feb-12 09:38:59
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Re: Talk Talk in Anglesey


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SamKnows is not always right, if the TalkTalk checker says you can get their cheap (rather than £15 surcharge) ones then it will be LLU, or they have exchange ear marked for the next few months.

£3.40 a month on non-LLU will be congested to the hilt, since they are losing around £5 a month before you even plug your modem in.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 09-Feb-12 09:47:18
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Re: Talk Talk in Anglesey


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See what vivaciti or ADSL24 have to say. Some of their packages use the TalkTalk LLU MSANs at exchanges, though not the TalkTalk underlying service. They will know if it is currently installed, and if it isn't they may have a planned date.

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Standard User FilC
(newbie) Thu 09-Feb-12 11:07:03
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Re: Talk Talk in Anglesey


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Thanks for your replies.

I can't find any online checker for vivaciti. As for ADSL24 it only says that BT 20CN (ADSL) is available. I am on this exchange: http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WNBEA

One thing I don't understand is, if a ISP (sky- post office etc) have to go through BT wholesale to provide broadband (up to 8 Mb), would the connection (speed, throttle, ping) be always the same? Like for gas or electricity, doesn't matter who you pay the product is always the same?

Thanks for your help,
F
Standard User ian72
(knowledge is power) Thu 09-Feb-12 13:22:12
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Re: Talk Talk in Anglesey


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BT Wholesale provide the bones but it is up to the ISP as to how much bandwidth and back end they provide (so I could connect up 100 users to BT and provide a 1Mb backhaul shared between them all, that wouldn't create a good service but is using the BT wholesale product). TalkTalk on your exchange are almost certainly going to be a terrible experience if it is low price as they will contend the hell out of the connection (to keep costs down).

I suspect you would be better looking at someone like Plusnet if you want a lowish cost connection which performs reasonably on BT wholesale services (non-LLU in other words).
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 09-Feb-12 14:04:48
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Try PM'ing one of them here. (These are the owners, not staff, and very helpful). As I said, they may be able to find out when TT should be there.

Not cheap though. Also having doubts if ADSL24 uses the TT backhaul or not. I think not but you would need to check. Vivaciti don't.

I agree with both MrSaffron and ian72 - avoid TalkTalk non-LLU like the plague. Plusnet is worth a look, but look beyond their head-line price as on that exchanbe the price rises considerably after the first few months.

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Standard User vivaciti
(knowledge is power) Thu 09-Feb-12 14:15:58
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Try our checker http://www.vivaciti.net/signup.php
If is gives you the option of ADSL2+ LLU then that will tell you.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 09-Feb-12 15:00:40
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Re: Talk Talk in Anglesey


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I think it's more a question of whether it is coming soon?

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Standard User FilC
(newbie) Thu 09-Feb-12 15:53:32
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Thanks vivaciti, it says:
ADSL2+ LLU 100GB FUP - offers a 100GB FUP on LLU Not available at your exchange

I am getting quite scarred of the good offer of talk talk. My current BB with Sky is pretty good during the day (between 6 and 8Mb) but pretty bad evening's time (~1Mb). If I switch to one of your package vivaciti, the ADSL Max Home with 100GB FUP, do you think I would get better DL speeds during evenings? Also can I leave my phone line with Sky or do I have to go back to BT (as you don't do phone lines)?

Thanks RobertoS for your help.

Fil
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 09-Feb-12 16:00:07
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Sky Connect that you are on is well known for being terrible during the evenings. Nearly every other ISP would be better. The two that are comparably bad are O2 Access and TalkTalk non-LLU.

Be very careful of TT phone statements about LLU. They have definitely lied to people in the past, and I very rarely use that "l" word here.

vivaciti do do phone lines. You aren't going to get a cheap phone bundle anywhere except on LLU though.

How much do you download and upload? A move to a decent monthly-contract ISP in the short term could be a good idea, and keep the Sky line rental if you wish.

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Standard User FilC
(newbie) Thu 09-Feb-12 19:49:42
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To be honest I don't download much now a days, but I would like to be able to use the online service of lovefilm or netfilx if I could!

Is vivaciti a good ISP? I don't mind paying a bit more for good and reliable service.

Thanks for your help,
Fil
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 09-Feb-12 23:32:52
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Is vivaciti a good ISP?
I reckon so, yes.

You can only get their Home Allowance and Office Allowance packages though at the moment, until TalkTalk kit is there. Then they have a few more options.

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Standard User FilC
(newbie) Fri 10-Feb-12 10:34:42
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Re: Talk Talk in Anglesey


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And do you think I should get better than 1Mb in the evenings? or can it be just due to my exchange?

Thanks,
Fil
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 10-Feb-12 15:14:37
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Re: Talk Talk in Anglesey


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Yes.
See this exchange status link. It isn't gospel, but a good indicator.

The packages you can get form vivaciti are all monthly contract anyway, so a safe punt.

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Edited by RobertoS (Fri 10-Feb-12 15:51:39)

Anonymous
(Unregistered)Mon 13-Feb-12 09:35:36
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Re: Talk Talk in Anglesey


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Hi. You could try eXwavia. They provide high speed wireless broadband. www.exwavia.co.uk.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 13-Feb-12 12:04:44
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Fair usage policy. A fair policy about fair usage. If your usage doesn’t affect others you will never hear from us. If it does then we will talk to you about how we can still let you do what you wish – but without affecting your neighbours.
Meaningless and scary.

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Mon 13-Feb-12 13:07:36
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Anglesey residents may know The Photon's blog at photonicanglesey.blogspot.com

He had a couple of articles about his initial contacts with exwavia.

Past tense, because (a) I think (not 100% sure) he ended up sticking with DSL in the end (b) the blog isn't there at the moment and any relevant stuff doesn't appear to be Googlecached.

Back in October 2010 there was also talk of a WiMax trial for 300 homes on the South West side of the island from comedy ISP H2O Networks/FibreCity/i3 or whatever they were called at the time:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4412-anglesey-set...
http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/1863512/wimax-4g...

Also back in 2010 an outfit calling itself BlueNowhere (with an 0844 phone number, a CEO called Harry Aldridge, and a registered office address in Hatton Garden, London?) also talked about WiMax on Anglesey:
http://www.bluenowhere.net/?p=476

I assume these wireless announcements went the usual way of such things.
ISP Representative TALKTALK_SUPPORT
(isp) Mon 13-Feb-12 13:17:01
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HI All,

In regards to LLU availability we can confirm this for any customers if they wish to tweet us @TalkTalkCare.

We have an upto date record of all LLU roll-out data.

Regards

Mark
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Standard User NilSatisOptimum
(member) Mon 13-Feb-12 14:06:54
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
Hi. You could try eXwavia. They provide high speed wireless broadband. www.exwavia.co.uk.


I believe they concentrating in areas that qualify for the Welsh broadband scheme, always under 2mbps. Worth giving them a try though, they are quick to respond with emails also they use fibrespeed network. I know of the chairman and he does have long standing interst in Welsh business.

As for TT, they have not met some LLU dates in Mid and West Wales they had planned for the back end of last year and looks they have been shelved! as they have been removed from sam knows.

http://www.fibrespeed.co.uk/en/fibrespeed-map.html

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Edited by NilSatisOptimum (Mon 13-Feb-12 14:25:23)

Standard User FilC
(newbie) Mon 13-Feb-12 14:21:45
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Thanks Mark, but I don't use twitter. Would you be able to tell me LLU roll-out date in Beaumaris? Exchange in Beaumaris: WNBEA

Best regards
Fil
Standard User FilC
(newbie) Mon 13-Feb-12 14:25:54
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
Yes.
See this exchange status link. It isn't gospel, but a good indicator.

The packages you can get form vivaciti are all monthly contract anyway, so a safe punt.


Thanks Roberto, Indeed a green light looks pretty good.

Having discovered all these "niche" ISP, I am now tempted by Eclipse. Would you also recommend them?

Thanks
Fil
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 13-Feb-12 15:46:10
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In reply to a post by FilC:
Having discovered all these "niche" ISP, I am now tempted by Eclipse. Would you also recommend them?
I don't know enough about them to comment, sorry. For some reason that I forget, back in history, I ignore them.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 13-Feb-12 16:53:53
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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/i/5029.html may have some explanation for the issues with exchanges appearing then dissappearing

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