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Standard User jamiemat
(newbie) Mon 28-Oct-13 14:12:29
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Which ISP for Market 1/ADSL Max only?


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Hi,

I live in a market 1/ADSL Max only area and will be moving shortly to another property in the area. Currently the household has an erratic connection that seems to vary anywhere from 3.5-5.5Mbit and we've never been heavy downloaders. We were on Zen for 3 years and never once went above the 100Gb cap.

However as I'm moving alone and with an estimated speed of 6.5-7.5Mbit at the new property I've been thinking that I could save a fair chunk by not subscribing to SKY, but that would mean relying on the broadband more.

If my viewing habits changed to watching Netflix, the online catch up service/on demand from YouView and the BT Sport stream I would suddenly increase my usage many times over. And thats before my other usage such as the full games from PS+ subscription and other general use.

I guess in many ways this topic is more along the lines of is BT broadband really truly unlimited as advertised? whilst my usage won't be excessive by fibre standards on ADSL it probably would be.

Many thanks for any input

Edited by jamiemat (Mon 28-Oct-13 14:13:03)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 28-Oct-13 14:27:09
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The BT Retail products are unlimited and no funky slow boys pipe etc

So something in the 200-300GB while above average would not be noticed at all.

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Standard User Zadeks
(experienced) Mon 28-Oct-13 15:16:48
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Plusnet.


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Standard User 4M2
(knowledge is power) Mon 28-Oct-13 16:29:19
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In reply to a post by Zadeks:
Plusnet.


High cost area?
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 28-Oct-13 17:44:05
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He appears to want BT Sport. Though according to The Times a couple of weeks ago it struggles to get a 5-figure audience.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 55.8/14.5Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 28-Oct-13 17:49:40
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http://www.barb.co.uk/viewing/weekly-total-viewing-s...

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 28-Oct-13 17:53:35
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Interesting smile.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 55.8/14.5Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User jamiemat
(newbie) Mon 28-Oct-13 19:46:55
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Thanks for the replies everyone. Great to hear that BT would have no issue with that sort of usage. BT sport is something that, whilst not essential, would be very welcome given that I'd no longer have SKY Sports. With a similar monthly price and PlusNet have an activation fee, BT is looking good value with BT Sports included and a £50 Sainsbury's voucher, shame BT can't match on customer service, however.

We recently migrated from Zen to BT both to save £9/m and to get BT Sports through SKY included with it. Its a pity that the viewing figures are not looking good for BT, its coverage is actually pretty good and I've always been a fan of Serie A and the Bundesliga. Not sure what it will be like to stream it though as I have heard a few bad things.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 28-Oct-13 22:31:14
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I don't think there is an activation fee for phone plus broadband with PlusNet, but agree the BT overall deal is probably better for you.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 55.8/14.5Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User jamiemat
(newbie) Mon 02-Dec-13 06:51:47
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Hate to bump an older thread but my fears have now been realised frown

Flat has indeed no FreeView coverage at all and despite initially being delighted to see a communal Satellite system in place, plugging in a FreeSat box shows signal strength and quality as minimal with the dreaded no signal errors popping up. While I will try and get that fixed I have to go on the basis it either won't be or will take a while to get sorted.

That leaves me back to my original idea as per the opening post to stream all TV, but with that now confirmed and looking into it more seriously NetFlix states a 5.0 Megabits per second speed needed for HD (https://help.netflix.com/article/en/node/306) and that it can use "up to" 2.8 GB per hour! (https://help.netflix.com/article/en/node/87) That alongside my normal internet use will take monthly bandwidth to well over the 250-300GB you say wouldn't be noticed.

At a few hours a day of NetFlix + the Friday/Sat/Sun Bundesliga and Serie A games on BT sport + occasional BBC iPlayer/STV/4oD/DemandFive usage + YouTube viewing + the free games as part of the instant game collection from PSN+ subscription and its really into some serious usage figures

The question now is if my usage is as high as 450-600GB a month on a market 1/ADSL Max line is that pushing it too far for BT?
Standard User fig
(experienced) Mon 02-Dec-13 08:20:24
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PlusNet again smile

Me and the missus work from home, kids are online all the time, streaming, etc, most months I'm 200Gb+ and have topped 400Gb a couple of times and not had any issues.

Worth checking your exchange to see if it's showing degraded performance, etc as the one I'm on is full and they are still building houses nearby so it could get worse. I have the occasion issue streaming at peak time (a little bit of buffering here and there) but nothing major.

plusnet 4/11/2003 -> 4/3/2009 512Kb-2Mb
O2 Standard LLU 4/3/2009 -> 23/6/2009 ~3Mb O2 Access 13/7/2009 -> 22/6/2010 ~8Mb
plusnet 22/6/2010 -> ?? ~8MB
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 02-Dec-13 09:01:47
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While no one can give a guarantee based on the wordings of their policies as they stand, that should not be an issue.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 02-Dec-13 09:40:30
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I think what MrSaffron meant by "something in the 200-300GB while above average would not be noticed at all" was that in the overall BT scheme these days it is a drop in the ocean. You will be fine with your new 600GB or so.

Depending on the connection speed, you may have buffering problems if you are all going at the same time. Have a read of this page about PlusNet prioritisation. Also the 20/21CN live graphs at the bottom of this page.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Edited by RobertoS (Mon 02-Dec-13 09:49:21)

Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 02-Dec-13 13:01:48
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PlusNet email today:-
Service: Broadband
Posted: Mon, Dec 02 2013 at 11:44:28
Subject: Increase in 20CN and 21CN Broadband Capacity - Monday 2nd December

We will shortly be increasing the capacity of our IPSC (20CN) broadband host links by a further 1340Mbps. It's these host links that we use to deliver bandwidth to customers provisioned on an 'Up to 8Mbps' 20CN product.
Must be picking up a lot of "ADSL Max only" customers for some reason, the last upgrade was much smaller.
Posted: Tue, Oct 01 2013 at 10:19:14
Subject: Increase in 20CN and 21CN Broadband Capacity - Tuesday 1st October

We will shortly be increasing the capacity of our IPSC (20CN) broadband host links by a further 280Mbps. It's these host links that we use to deliver bandwidth to customers provisioned on an 'Up to 8Mbps' 20CN product.


My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Allergy information: This post was manufactured in an environment where nuts are present. It may include traces of understatement, litotes and humour.

Edited by RobertoS (Mon 02-Dec-13 13:09:03)

Standard User martinsq
(regular) Tue 03-Dec-13 23:49:11
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Must be picking up a lot of "ADSL Max only" customers for some reason,


Obvious reason: very little choice for ADSL Max only subscribers, which are often Market 1 victims too.
PlusNet has good service / reputation and will match BT / other ISP prices, so why go anywhere else ?
Regards,
Martin
(Market 1 victim, still on ADSL Max, BT canceled March 21CN upgrade...!)
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