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Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 25-Apr-17 10:35:01
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EE or Plusnet


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Would EE have the same backhaul arrangements for an ADSL service from a Market 1 exchange as Plusnet? At the moment EE are much cheaper.

i.e. would the service from either suppier be much the same? They are both owned by BT

Michael Chare
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 25-Apr-17 11:14:46
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would the service from either suppier be much the same? They are both owned by BT

Yes.

Standard User professor973
(knowledge is power) Thu 27-Apr-17 10:31:31
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EE customer service good these days. We have their services at our other property. Unlimited phone and BB and 1,000 mins to mobiles for £23 per month.


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Standard User barker04
(member) Mon 01-May-17 10:39:29
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Also thinking of going to EE if BT dont offer me a deal thats as good.

Wondered if EE do traffic shaping/prioritisation on their fibre broadband?

Benefts of them seem to be:

Apparently no price rises during contract
18 month line rental saver
Free activation

Thoughts from those on EE much appreciated!
Standard User jdigz7
(learned) Tue 02-May-17 04:43:42
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Didn't have any issues with speeds or general use but had issues with peering with certain gameservers which made me eventually switch wasnt any sort of shaping that i noticed if im honest.

Not sure how things are now as this was before the BT takeover but obviously they were still using BTW at the time.
Standard User titan_uk
(newbie) Tue 02-May-17 20:14:54
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Interesting, I was think of same until I just saw the latest post.. EE have a kerappy quality metric on both the 76 and 38Mbps options, wonder why...Still it's enough to make me not consider them!

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/7696-uk-broadband...

Edited by titan_uk (Tue 02-May-17 20:16:42)

Standard User barker04
(member) Tue 02-May-17 21:20:22
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I have just seen that too, making me consider vodafone instead now!
Standard User martinsq
(member) Wed 03-May-17 19:38:20
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John Lewis BB is the best bet at the moment,
they are owned by BT/Plusnet but offer the chepest 12m contract at the moment....
and NO Market A silly price !
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Martin
Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 03-May-17 23:28:59
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In reply to a post by martinsq:
John Lewis BB is the best bet at the moment,
they are owned by BT/Plusnet but offer the chepest 12m contract at the moment....
and NO Market A silly price !

I agree and as they have just reduced their price to £20 pm for ADSL+Phone they are now cheaper than EE at £21! My existing Plusnet contract where I just pay for the phone and the BB is free at a Market A exchange, expires in September 2017. I doubt Plusnet will make me a retention offer good enough to stop me switching to JL or EE ADSL or even Vodafone FTTC with its wretched router.

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Standard User barker04
(member) Fri 05-May-17 18:17:33
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Is the vodafone router really that bad, so tempted to move to them but worried about the router now!
Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 05-May-17 20:04:13
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AIUI the Vodafone router will not handle a large number of Wifi devices and may not be very good with UPNP.

It is next to impossible to get Vodafone to tell you your connection userid and password which you need to use your own router. - Despite what their sales staff might tell you.

One solution to the Wifi problem is to switch of Wifi on the router and then use separate Wifi devices.

There are some happy customers, so it is not all bad news! Their price is very attractive, so if you can live with the above, they are certainly worth considering. IMHO

Vodafone have their own forums so you can learn more from them.

Michael Chare
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 06-May-17 09:31:58
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In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:
i.e. would the service from either suppier be much the same?

Who knows? The EE service was formerly Orange broadband that was "white label" (ie, run for them) by BT wholesale. Plusnet moved to a 'new network' over 2016 which has broken the usage meter, but Plusnet offer a Static IPv4 for a one off payment. EE and BT do not. They may be the same ownership, but they're not the same product.

They will all use BTwholesale tails, and I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually merge into one technical operation with different price plans (similar to MVNO's on mobile) - but at the moment it is unclear.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 06-May-17 12:16:12
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Total merge would only be likely if regulator was going to do something that made that advantageous, as things stand by using slightly different chunks of wholesale platform it helps to avoid harsher regulation and lets BT Consumer chase three slightly different groups of customers.

Looking at the differences in quality based on where people are coming from, we do sometimes see differing results, i.e. regular visitors on thinkbroadband almost always out perform the general public (quality and speeds), i.e. you know about Ethernet (or decent wireless) and have things optimised.

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Standard User barker04
(member) Sat 06-May-17 17:00:13
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Andrew

Wondered if you had better stats on ee, comparing off peak vs peak from a congestion perspective?

Find it strange that if they are using a white label BT fibre product that there are slow downs at peak times! But curious as they are so competitively priced im thinking of moving to them.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 06-May-17 17:09:18
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In broad terms, EE will be paying BT Wholesale a fee to provide a certain level of peak capacity. In the same as they would for MSIL handover to their backhaul to their internal network if they were running their own in-house routers, DNS servers and peering links to the internet at large like most ISPs.

If their traffic exceeds the capacity they pay BTW to provide, then congestion will ensue. Just as it would if they rented the same handover capacity.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 06-May-17 17:46:52
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https://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/7696-uk-broadban...

The difference in those speeds is an indicator, as is the quality metric, i.e. some people are clearly getting a less optimal service, but when you look at data can see some are, so maybe the classic issue of poor setup paperwork so those who know what they are doing sort it out, the rest may be using more Wi-Fi and filters on extension sockets etc etc

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 07-May-17 04:43:57
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EE have no TM on Fibre & unlimited ADSL BB; only on a few historic "Off-Net" exchanges with usage capped ADSL.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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