ISP with Copper Pair

Apart from AAISP are there any other ISPs that offer FTTC with a copper pair?

Sky are doing dial tone free circuits on the Openreach SOGEA service.

Although I would advise against using any dial tone free service for reliability reasons.

...... there’s still an E side for testing purposes, why not just provide DC whetting to ?

We do WLR with no outbound calls, just for broadband. See below.

My SOGEA line was cut down in a joint 1 week after conversion. Been OK for the last 6 months or so.

In reply to a post by witchunt:

My SOGEA line was cut down in a joint 1 week after conversion. Been OK for the last 6 months or so.

Just for my understanding, on a SOGEA line is there any blow if you put a butt across the line? I thought there would be soft dial tone or a permanent tone of some description.

Ive never got round to trying. Maybe later

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by witchunt:

My SOGEA line was cut down in a joint 1 week after conversion. Been OK for the last 6 months or so.

Just for my understanding, on a SOGEA line is there any blow if you put a butt across the line? I thought there would be soft dial tone or a permanent tone of some description.

No, there is no voltage or any condition on the line at all. The e side connects to the test head but nothing else in the exchange.

Testing for a digital service will reveal the pair is live, all other tests will show the pair is free or not in use.

That aligns with the original design in 2015, certainly no connection to anything that would give SDT.

Meant to do al tests via the test head, there was enough fuss getting OFCOM to include it in the allowable costs for just that reason, testing from Cab or DP and pinching the pair was always the likely failure scenario. OFCOM view was train your people correctly and use the big stick if they fail!

In reply to a post by TheInstaller:

No, there is no voltage or any condition on the line at all. The e side connects to the test head but nothing else in the exchange.

Testing for a digital service will reveal the pair is live, all other tests will show the pair is free or not in use.

Very interesting, thank you for that info