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Standard User zelly
(newbie) Mon 13-Jan-20 15:29:47
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Best ISP for gaming ping times?


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I've heard from someone that it doesn't matter what ISP I have for ping time to game servers in America, because all ISPs use the same equipment and fibre pipes belonging to BT

Is this true? Will my ping time to game servers stay the same, no matter who my ISP is?

If it isn't true, which ISP has the lowest ping?
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 13-Jan-20 16:40:57
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It isn't true. ISPs share some parts of the network (assuming they are using Openreach end connections) but there are a number of places where that might diverge.

Ping times could be very different in parts of the network. However, I am afraid I can't tell you who would have the lowest pings to US and on average it probably wouldn't be massively different as the big impact is getting across the pond which is going to be where most of the latency occurs (and is not related to BT).

The ping to US on a Virgin connection I suspect is not significantly dissimilar to that from a BT connection or TalkTalk or anyone else.
Standard User zelly
(newbie) Mon 13-Jan-20 17:11:34
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Is ping time affected by ISP network congestion or telephone exchange congestion?

My average ping time to game servers is 140ms

A reduction of 40ms to 100 would be good

Getting it down to 50ms or below would be amazing


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Standard User lltfdaniel
(regular) Mon 13-Jan-20 17:17:15
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Well this is my experiance,

I changed my isp from virgin media cable to zen fttc,

I used to get 30-40 ms ping to uk servers with virgin but now i get 10-20ms ping to uk servers with zen.

So for me to uk servers the ping is pretty much halve that on virgin media and a bit lower.

The main reason why i changed isp is firstly the ping time.

Ok the download speed will never be as fast as virgin media but the ping times for me make up for it.

Also the quality of the open reach telephone line somehow dictates how good your connection will be like.

Below is my tracert to google.co.uk

C:\Users\Dan>tracert www.google.co.uk

Tracing route to www.google.co.uk [172.217.169.67]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 2 ms <1 ms fritz.box [192.168.178.1]
2 15 ms 48 ms 13 ms vt1.cor2.lond1.ptn.zen.net.uk [51.148.72.22]
3 15 ms 22 ms 22 ms ae-8.agg1.lond1.ptn.zen.net.uk [51.148.73.14]
4 14 ms 13 ms 13 ms 72.14.217.190
5 15 ms 14 ms 15 ms 74.125.242.97
6 18 ms 15 ms 14 ms 172.253.66.101
7 23 ms 14 ms 15 ms lhr48s09-in-f3.1e100.net [172.217.169.67]

Trace complete.


Dan.

Edited by lltfdaniel (Mon 13-Jan-20 17:21:38)

Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 13-Jan-20 17:23:38
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From where and to where? Getting down to 50ms for UK to US would be amazing - mainly because you would have broken the speed of light. There is a minimum that is even physically possible between locations and that is based on the speed of light - then each switch will add some delay and you won't go in a direct line (there will always be some diversions unless you can lay your own personal fibre point to point).

You might be able to get down to 100ms depending on where in the states the servers are (if they are east coast you could be lucky but if they are west coast then it is probably a pipe dream).

Network congestion would make a difference, technology for the last mile also impacts. Where you live in the country and where the transatlantic links are would also make a difference. Some ISPs might have great peering to certain areas of the states but not others. There are so many variables...
Standard User lltfdaniel
(regular) Mon 13-Jan-20 17:26:22
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From where and to where? Getting down to 50ms for UK to US would be amazing - mainly because you would have broken the speed of light. There is a minimum that is even physically possible between locations and that is based on the speed of light - then each switch will add some delay and you won't go in a direct line (there will always be some diversions unless you can lay your own personal fibre point to point).

You might be able to get down to 100ms depending on where in the states the servers are (if they are east coast you could be lucky but if they are west coast then it is probably a pipe dream).

Network congestion would make a difference, technology for the last mile also impacts. Where you live in the country and where the transatlantic links are would also make a difference. Some ISPs might have great peering to certain areas of the states but not others. There are so many variables...


I agree, to us east coast servers i get around 110ms to 130 ms.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Mon 13-Jan-20 17:33:10
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57ms minimum UK-USA?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=minimum+latency+uk...

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Standard User Tacitus
(experienced) Mon 13-Jan-20 18:29:16
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FWIW iDNet offer a special gaming service which apparently prioritises routing to gaming servers. Whether this includes the US I have no idea.

You're looking at £60/pm for a FTTC connection so I imagine it will only appeal to the most fanatical gamers.
Standard User CarlTSpeak
(regular) Tue 14-Jan-20 00:19:48
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Getting it down to 50ms or below would be amazing


I would suggest emigration as the only option there.

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Standard User smokeymacpot
(newbie) Tue 14-Jan-20 01:08:56
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the best i got was with BT broadband FTTC, ping of 8-10ms for UK servers and ~80ms to east coast US servers. to west coast servers the ping was pretty bad because of the distance.
Standard User professor973
(knowledge is power) Tue 14-Jan-20 19:25:27
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Ping times have never been anything but very very low on my Zen connection that never misses a beat.
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/...

Standard User professor973
(knowledge is power) Tue 14-Jan-20 19:37:07
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92ms to mineplex New York not too bad
C:\Users\User>ping us.mineplex.com

Pinging us.mineplex.com [173.236.67.21] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 173.236.67.21: bytes=32 time=92ms TTL=50
Reply from 173.236.67.21: bytes=32 time=92ms TTL=50
Reply from 173.236.67.21: bytes=32 time=92ms TTL=50
Reply from 173.236.67.21: bytes=32 time=92ms TTL=50

Ping statistics for 173.236.67.21:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 92ms, Maximum = 92ms, Average = 92ms

Standard User professor973
(knowledge is power) Tue 14-Jan-20 19:50:57
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Host tested: 173.236.67.21
Test performed from: New York, NY
Test performed at: 2020-01-14 19:48:40 (GMT +00:00)
PING 173.236.67.21 (173.236.67.21) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 173.236.67.21: icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=20.4 ms
64 bytes from 173.236.67.21: icmp_seq=2 ttl=54 time=20.4 ms
64 bytes from 173.236.67.21: icmp_seq=3 ttl=54 time=20.4 ms
64 bytes from 173.236.67.21: icmp_seq=4 ttl=54 time=20.4 ms
64 bytes from 173.236.67.21: icmp_seq=5 ttl=54 time=20.4 ms
--- 173.236.67.21 ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4024ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 20.460/20.479/20.490/0.091 ms

Standard User professor973
(knowledge is power) Tue 14-Jan-20 19:57:33
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Zen best ever here and I've been with the supposed best!
new York gaming server. East coast would be a bit better.
C:\Users\User>tracert 173.236.67.21

Tracing route to placeholder-vss690-chi03.mineplex.com [173.236.67.21]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.178.1
2 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms losubs.subs.bng1.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.17]
3 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms ae1-177.cr2.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.38]
4 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms vl-50.ae43.agg2.lond1.ptn.zen.net.uk [51.148.73.54]
5 7 ms 10 ms 7 ms ae-9.cor2.lond1.ptn.zen.net.uk [51.148.73.17]
6 17 ms 7 ms 7 ms ae-8.agg1.lond1.ptn.zen.net.uk [51.148.73.14]
7 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms ldn-b5-link.telia.net [62.115.169.132]
8 7 ms 24 ms 18 ms ldn-bb3-link.telia.net [213.155.132.194]
9 7 ms 7 ms 6 ms ldn-b7-link.telia.net [62.115.138.151]
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 94 ms 94 ms 93 ms 4.15.84.6
13 92 ms 92 ms 92 ms placeholder-vss690-chi03.mineplex.com [173.236.67.21]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\User>

Edited by professor973 (Tue 14-Jan-20 20:13:15)

Standard User wolvesmad
(knowledge is power) Tue 14-Jan-20 21:56:32
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I've always found my pings on BT to be the best out of TalkTalk, Plusnet and Sky.

The Virgin Media Business leased line at work has a 75ms ping to the US East Coast.

Ghost offer Gamer Broadband. No idea if it is any good but they guarantee low pings.

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BT Fibre Unlimited 55|10Mb

Edited by wolvesmad (Tue 14-Jan-20 21:58:28)

Standard User jelv
(knowledge is power) Wed 15-Jan-20 09:23:04
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pathping is the best way to see what is going on. It gives the time to each hop so you can see how much going across the pond adds. It takes a few minutes to complete. Note that not all hops will respond to pings so there may be gaps.

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C:\Users\John>pathping 173.236.67.21
 Tracing route to placeholder-vss690-chi03.mineplex.com [173.236.67.21]
over a maximum of 30 hops:  0  Elvin11.home [192.168.1.25]
  1  192.168.1.1  2  222.53.155.90.in-addr.arpa [90.155.53.222]
  3  g.aimless.thn.aa.net.uk [90.155.53.47]  4  ge-4-3-6.edge5.London1.Level3.net [195.50.116.49]
  5  ae-2-3615.ear2.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.69.148.254]  6  4.15.84.6
  7  placeholder-vss690-chi03.mineplex.com [173.236.67.21] 
Computing statistics for 175 seconds...            Source to Here   This Node/Link
Hop  RTT    Lost/Sent = Pct  Lost/Sent = Pct  Address  0                                           Elvin11.home [192.168.1.25]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |  1    3ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  192.168.1.1
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |  2   13ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  222.53.155.90.in-addr.arpa [90.155.53.222]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |  3   13ms     1/ 100 =  1%     1/ 100 =  1%  g.aimless.thn.aa.net.uk [90.155.53.47]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |  4   16ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ge-4-3-6.edge5.London1.Level3.net [195.50.116.49]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |  5  ---     100/ 100 =100%   100/ 100 =100%  ae-2-3615.ear2.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.69.148.254]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |  6  ---     100/ 100 =100%   100/ 100 =100%  4.15.84.6
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |  7  102ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  placeholder-vss690-chi03.mineplex.com [173.236.67.21]
 Trace complete.


jelv

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Standard User CarlTSpeak
(member) Wed 15-Jan-20 10:11:52
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Ping times have never been anything but very very low on my Zen connection that never misses a beat.
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/...


Given Zen's termination of WBMC connections in Manchester or London where they don't have LLU presence, causing hairpins for some where they have to go via LNS in Manchester before reaching key peering points, might be wise to ascertain where the OP is before recommending an ISP whose network carries those caveats.

If you're near Docklands and on fastpath DSL or FTTP your BQM is going to be great either way.

Graph doesn't look too great actually, either. Latency looks jittery for a good part of the day which is the exact thing OP doesn't need.

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Standard User CarlTSpeak
(member) Wed 15-Jan-20 10:22:06
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57ms minimum UK-USA?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=minimum+latency+uk...


Yes, Bob.

The good Professor is close to the transit and peering in London, 6 ms RTT. 15-20 ms between New York and Chicago where that server farm lives. Leaves 66-71 ms for the round-trip under the Atlantic which is about right for the connectivity us commoners get smile

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Edited by CarlTSpeak (Wed 15-Jan-20 10:23:03)

Standard User professor973
(knowledge is power) Wed 15-Jan-20 11:10:14
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Not jittery to my eye and was working 4K movie streaming along with streaming my horses live.

Standard User professor973
(knowledge is power) Wed 15-Jan-20 11:16:37
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Which is as good as you will get in my opinion to recommend to the OP looking for low latency. Add bombproof broadband, good customer service, an excellent Fritz!box router and never a price rise thrown in and it's a no brainer and beats ALL the supposed leading ISP's I have been with, though there will always be a know better here.

Standard User CarlTSpeak
(member) Wed 15-Jan-20 12:22:18
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Which is as good as you will get in my opinion to recommend to the OP looking for low latency. Add bombproof broadband, good customer service, an excellent Fritz!box router and never a price rise thrown in and it's a no brainer and beats ALL the supposed leading ISP's I have been with, though there will always be a know better here.


Your incredibly effusive praise for them is duly noted, however 'bombproof' doesn't apply to everyone - there will be many LLU customers served by all suppliers reliant on a single piece of fibre.

Neither does your claim about latency or quality of service apply to everyone.

However I'm not going to go further into that one. They do their best but, as with everyone else, only have so much cash to spend. They've some great guys working for them, I know a couple, but no one size fits all.

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Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 15-Jan-20 18:56:26
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Zen support - best described as "above average"!

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Standard User professor973
(knowledge is power) Thu 16-Jan-20 01:58:07
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