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Standard User cheshire_man
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 27-Aug-11 22:05:31
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I considering moving to W7 from my XP Pro setup on my desktop PC. I have a few questions which are undoubtedly trivial and 'obvious' but he ho. I also have a netbook running XP Home. My desktop has an Intel Core i5 760 (2.8GHz), 4Gbytes RAM, 1 Tbyte HDD, Geforce GT 430 with 1024Mbyte. I'm sure the PC is quite powerful enough.

For the desktop I'm trying to decide whether to go for W7 Home Premium or Professional. As far as I can see the only possible benefit to me of Pro is XP mode. In reality I don't run complex purpose built applications - a few home brewed but pretty simple ones, and 2 or 3 that run in a DOS shell - all these work on XP.

Is there any real benefit of Pro over Home Premium for me?

I run IIS on my XP Pro system, it looks as if that will be ok on Premium. Is that true?

My netbook and desktop network together and share drives and printers. Will that be possible if the desktop is running W7 (of whichever flavour)?

I can't think of any more questions - at the moment, if I do I'll post them here if I may.

Tony
Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 28-Aug-11 11:03:46
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No remote desktop with home premium. I can't live without remote desktop tongue

As for everything else you should be fine - file shares and printers may need tweaking to make them work.

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Standard User cavillas
(knowledge is power) Sun 28-Aug-11 11:45:45
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Your machine is well equipped to run windows 7. I would recommend pro version and 64 bit also as long as you get the drivers for your hardware, most drivers are catered for by windows 7 anyway.

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Sun 28-Aug-11 11:54:34
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Remote desktop doesn't have to mean Microsoft Remote Desktop does it?

VNC would be a place to start looking (works on everything from phones (Symbian and up) to Window and Linux boxes).
Standard User AEP
(knowledge is power) Sun 28-Aug-11 12:00:00
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I'd certainly go for Home Premium with VNC if remote desktop was the only deciding factor.
Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 28-Aug-11 12:04:23
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VNC is rubbish compared to remote desktop. Yes, you heard me right tongue

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Standard User cheshire_man
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 28-Aug-11 12:10:28
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I'm not sure where the thinking about the need, or otherwise, for remote desktop came from. I don't use it or any equivalent at the moment. Maybe it was the reference to my desktop and netbook networking together. They do but only to the extent of being able to see each others drives and printer via shares, certainly not to the extent of one remotely controlling to the other. I've used VNC and similar in the past in a work environment but have never needed it in my home environment.

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Standard User AEP
(knowledge is power) Sun 28-Aug-11 12:16:26
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But you can't argue with the price.

Remote Desktop is rubbish compared to Citrix, but let's not go there.
Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 28-Aug-11 12:20:31
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It wasn't specifically anything you said - just something to bear in mind when getting premium instead of professional.

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Standard User saturn_uranus
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 28-Aug-11 12:31:57
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In reply to a post by cavillas:
Your machine is well equipped to run windows 7. I would recommend pro version and 64 bit also as long as you get the drivers for your hardware, most drivers are catered for by windows 7 anyway.


On the subject of 64 vs 32 bit, it might be worth the OP checking that his home brewed applications will execute on a 64 bit platform before going down that route.

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Standard User cheshire_man
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 28-Aug-11 12:36:36
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Thanks for reminding me. I'd already come to the conclusion that 64-bit, for me , is of no benefit and given the application mix is likely to cause problems that I can well do without. I am by no means a 'power' user, 32-bit will do me.

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Standard User The_Jimster
(committed) Sun 28-Aug-11 15:07:35
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if you have the main rig set up and in use, then you are probably aware but if not then keep in mind you will only be able to use about 3 gig of that 4 gig ram - 32bit limitation not a windows limit

64bit tho windows limits on HP 16gb, pro 192gb
Standard User cheshire_man
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 28-Aug-11 16:24:36
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Yep, I'm aware of the 32-bit addressing limitations.

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Standard User micksharpe
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 28-Aug-11 16:41:06
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if you have the main rig set up and in use, then you are probably aware but if not then keep in mind you will only be able to use about 3 gig of that 4 gig ram - 32bit limitation not a windows limit

64bit tho windows limits on HP 16gb, pro 192gb
I thought that limitation disappeared in XP or Vista. A 32-bit CPU has a 4GB address space.

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Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 28-Aug-11 17:11:01
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In reply to a post by micksharpe:
In reply to a post by The_Jimster:
if you have the main rig set up and in use, then you are probably aware but if not then keep in mind you will only be able to use about 3 gig of that 4 gig ram - 32bit limitation not a windows limit

64bit tho windows limits on HP 16gb, pro 192gb
I thought that limitation disappeared in XP or Vista. A 32-bit CPU has a 4GB address space.

Nope, still 1GB give or take reserved for other things. You can use PAE on the server versions to get past those limits though.

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Standard User ukhardy07
(committed) Sun 28-Aug-11 18:28:55
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In reply to a post by cheshire_man:
I considering moving to W7 from my XP Pro setup on my desktop PC. I have a few questions which are undoubtedly trivial and 'obvious' but he ho. I also have a netbook running XP Home. My desktop has an Intel Core i5 760 (2.8GHz), 4Gbytes RAM, 1 Tbyte HDD, Geforce GT 430 with 1024Mbyte. I'm sure the PC is quite powerful enough.

For the desktop I'm trying to decide whether to go for W7 Home Premium or Professional. As far as I can see the only possible benefit to me of Pro is XP mode. In reality I don't run complex purpose built applications - a few home brewed but pretty simple ones, and 2 or 3 that run in a DOS shell - all these work on XP.

Is there any real benefit of Pro over Home Premium for me?

I run IIS on my XP Pro system, it looks as if that will be ok on Premium. Is that true?

My netbook and desktop network together and share drives and printers. Will that be possible if the desktop is running W7 (of whichever flavour)?

I can't think of any more questions - at the moment, if I do I'll post them here if I may.


I would install windows as a trial first, then if you like it buy it. You get 30 days before you need to activate.

Don't jump into spending money before 'testing' it. You may find your programs do not work or you prefer xp and have wasted money.

Grab a disk from a friend. If you like it you can simply buy that version of windows and enter the key in without reformatting.

Edited by ukhardy07 (Sun 28-Aug-11 18:30:12)

Standard User cheshire_man
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 28-Aug-11 20:38:12
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Good thinking. In reality I've used W7 and like it. It's more which flavour. If any of my applications, especially the home brewed ones don't work, I'll change the brew.

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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 28-Aug-11 21:41:47
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Good thinking. In reality I've used W7 and like it. It's more which flavour. If any of my applications, especially the home brewed ones don't work, I'll change the brew.

Being nosey but what sort of home brewed appls? Anything us fellow tbb geeks would find interesting?

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Standard User cheshire_man
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 28-Aug-11 22:03:03
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I very much doubt it smile

Some simple but useful utilities written in VB6 (!): show key dates for various days in a year - Easter, Bank Holidays, BST start/end, solstices & equinoxes, etc. - for years between 1583 & 1999; a simple unit converter; a reverse STD decoder (database needs updating). Some PowerBasic DOS applications originally written in 1990 and occasionally tweaked and updated, mostly simple database type stuff and I cba'd to redo them in Access or the like.

I can't see them being of interest to others, they're just useful to me and were a useful learning experience at the time.

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Standard User cheshire_man
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 30-Aug-11 22:29:05
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Been doing some checking about some of the key applications I use - e.g. MS Money V12 (I love it, used it for >17 years), Dreamweaver MX V6, which all run fine on XP.

If I have trouble getting them to work natively on W7, will the XP feature in W7 Pro mean that they will run ok in the XP environment?

And I assume this sort of work around will be applicable to other programs I currently use?

Tony
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Tue 30-Aug-11 22:33:41
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It's actually a virtual machine running XP, no emulation so everything will just work.



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Standard User cheshire_man
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 02-Sep-11 16:21:47
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Thank you sir, I hoped it would be like that. Sorry I missed your reply the other day blush

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Standard User cheshire_man
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 04-Sep-11 21:07:49
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I see references in various places saying that 64-bit is faster than 32-bit.

Is this intrinsically so?

Or is it more a function of using, or being able to use, more memory?

Tony
Standard User Chrysalis
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 06-Sep-11 06:39:44
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it isnt necessarily faster, and directly it probably isnt, but 64bit has numerous advantages which in turn can lead to improved performance.

The only 2 practical downsides of 64bit are.

1 - compatibility with some old apps/drivers. For the most part drivers should be a non issue, no company can get WHQL certified on only 32bit drivers now, software that is 32bit only should run as windows has a 32bit compat layer which works very well. 16bit support is removed in 64bit windows, but the only 16bit apps/games I am aware off are dos based and I can still use dos stuff in dosbox fine. So 16bit can be emulated. Plus one could run vmware or something to install an older operating system for that purpose.
2 - 64bit binaries are bigger and as such require more memory to run, probably only a minor issue at most tho as 64bit breaks the 4gig memory limit barrier. I even use 64bit on systems with lower ram than 4gig, such as my laptop which has 3gig.

There is to me more downsides using 32bit than 64bit, as you far less future proof and 32bit has disadvantages such as internal limits on virtual memory etc. 64bit cannot be emulated on 32bit, its one way only.
Standard User cheshire_man
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 06-Sep-11 10:49:42
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Thanks Chrysails.

I have very few connected devices - USB connected HP Laserjet 1320 which has Vista 64-bit drivers and Googling suggests is ok on W7 - the main PC hardware is from earlier this year so motherboard, graphics et al should be ok.

Anyway W7 Professional has been despatched tome so I see about installing 64-bit in the next week or so.

Tony
Standard User broadband66
(experienced) Tue 06-Sep-11 11:56:37
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I had a couple of progs that wouldn't work on W7(64), NetMeter and Pinnacle Studio (v8) so now using TBB meter and PS (v14HD). Everything else seems to work ok even a 12 year old HP laserjet. Just need to run the windows drivers update when drivers aren't found initially.

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Standard User cavillas
(knowledge is power) Tue 06-Sep-11 13:26:13
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I have windows 7 pro 64 bit and nearly all programs work with it. 16bit programs do not but the only one I have is an old astrology app which I no longer use.

I have tried the 32bit windows 7 on my 4gb machine with 1 gb video card and it works fine but will only recognize 3.5gb memory.

I have now settled for 64 bit and it recognizes all memory. I had some internal modems but there are no drivers available in 64bit so I use my mobilephone as a fax machine.smile

The one thing you may notice after it first installed is that it does a lot of indexing of all your documents but once that is finished it just gets faster and faster.

I have noticed no speed difference from using either version, they are just as fast as one another. I did notice that when manipulating graphics in the 64bit verison it worked faster and snappier.

I have tried many older progs Photoshop 7, elements 2, dreamweaver 2004 etc some of them reverted to basic diplay but switched quickly back when closed.

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Standard User cheshire_man
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 06-Sep-11 17:32:20
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I currently use Networx which I know works on W7 64-bit. Don't use Pinnacle Studio, use Memories on TV for simple slide show work and that is ok.

Tony
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