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Standard User Ancient_Mariner
(knowledge is power) Mon 25-Mar-13 15:42:25
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Windows Choice: XP Home or Windows 7 Pro 32 bit or 64 bit?


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My WinXP homebuilt pc is showing signs of motherboard problems to come and sooner or later will require some work. Also, at 10 years old, it must be a little behind the times.

I could stay with Windows XP Home (I have an unopened/unused WinXP just for this purpose which I bought when Vista was introduced) or do I go for Windows 7?

Which then begs the questions, Home or Pro, 32 bit or 64 bit?

One thing is for certain, it will NOT be Windows 8 !!!

What are the pros and cons?

Thanks for reading.

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Standard User johnjburness
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 25-Mar-13 16:08:46
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Re: Windows Choice: XP Home or Windows 7 Pro 32 bit or 64 b


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Purely my own personal perception (I'm certainly no expert):-

Home or Pro?
I personally cannot see the benefit of Pro in a Home situation - unless you have extensive Servers at Home.

32 or 64 Bit?
I'm running 64bit &, to date, I've not incurred any problems running any Applications (some are running in 32 bit mode). Running in 64bit does permit using significantly more RAM than 3-GB, meaning that Memory intensive Applications don't need to resort to HDD access..

Regards,
John
Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Mon 25-Mar-13 16:18:10
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Re: Windows Choice: XP Home or Windows 7 Pro 32 bit or 64 b


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64-bit is the way to go. Whatever your solution, get a minimum of 4GB RAM and ever wonder if it's enough. My Vista setup uses 1.2GB RAM just to start-up and it's a decently tweaked system. You'll use up to 2GB then you'll want another Gig or two for other things.

Windows 7 is the system that Vista should have been, and I'm led to believe that with tweaking, it's as close to Windows 7 as can be (start-up speed being the exception).

Main Con of 64-bit is that some older programs with a 16-bit installer will not run. Check your software and make the decision based on that. I've lost a few programs to 64-bit, but one adapts and moves forward. 99% of what I have lost was me hanging on to old, familiar software. 32-bit installer programs will run fine on 64-bit. With 64-bit Windows there's a 'Program Files' and a 'Program Files (x86)', the latter being the 32-bit area.

Cons of 32-bit: memory limitations. File size limitations. Obsolete hardware.

Pros of 32-bit...The opposite of the 64-bit cons. smile

Make the change and don't look back.

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Standard User normcall
(member) Mon 25-Mar-13 16:40:44
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Re: Windows Choice: XP Home or Windows 7 Pro 32 bit or 64 b


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I went down the same route. Installed win7 on my machine - super. Then I found most of my programs wouldn't work. Small things like accounts and my super borland database, so they had to be run on on an old machine as 64bit win7 really is typical microsoft unforgiving.
You can go 32bit to 64bit, but not the other way round.
If you have old programs then oracle have a lovely program so you can run your old XP at the same time as Win 7 64bit (the win7 pro requires a restart!!), so win 7 home is a nice happy medium.
Then I found Windows 7 starter. 32bit, runs all my old programs - but you can't actually buy it!
Standard User 4M2
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 25-Mar-13 16:41:39
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Definitely XP 64bit with plenty of RAM - I have a Win7 machine but only use it for video editing since it handles H.264 video by default better than XP but I wouldn’t use Win7 for anything else.
Standard User andygegg
(regular) Mon 25-Mar-13 16:43:12
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Re: Windows Choice: XP Home or Windows 7 Pro 32 bit or 64 b


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Win 7 Home Premium 64-bit. I presume you're getting a new processor, etc so it will support 64-bit with the memory benefits. One thing to expect is a huge amount of downloading by Windows Update. Win XP is out of support now, I believe; I always found it a pretty decent OS but 7 seems more stable. I suggest a MoBo with UEFI and support for the secure computing stuff in Win 8 should that ever look viable!

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Standard User vwillcox
(newbie) Mon 25-Mar-13 16:49:40
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Re: Windows Choice: XP Home or Windows 7 Pro 32 bit or 64 b


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Microsoft will stop providing any updates for XP from next year.
Application developers will also stop prior to that or just after that.

Website developers are already stopping developing for older XP supported IE.

So, please go with Windows 7 64Bit.
Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 25-Mar-13 17:07:24
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Is this for a new PC?

Go with Windows 8 and save yourself the bother.

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Standard User Spasch
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 25-Mar-13 18:11:45
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Re: Windows Choice: XP Home or Windows 7 Pro 32 bit or 64 b


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In reply to a post by normcall:
I went down the same route. Installed win7 on my machine - super. Then I found most of my programs wouldn't work. Small things like accounts and my super borland database, so they had to be run on on an old machine as 64bit win7 really is typical microsoft unforgiving.
You can go 32bit to 64bit, but not the other way round.
If you have old programs then oracle have a lovely program so you can run your old XP at the same time as Win 7 64bit (the win7 pro requires a restart!!), so win 7 home is a nice happy medium.
Then I found Windows 7 starter. 32bit, runs all my old programs - but you can't actually buy it!
Microsoft provide a virtual machine running XP called 'XP Mode' - I use it for unsupported software on my Win 7 64 bit system. Free and no need to worry about transferring your old XP license.
Standard User Oldjim
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 25-Mar-13 18:53:08
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Obvious answer
Dual boot XP and Win7 64 bit to get the best of both worlds
Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 25-Mar-13 20:26:21
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Having tried Win 7 and Win 8 I have a dual boot XP with Win 8 with Start Menu and XP mode. The choice is yours but Win 8 takes some beating.

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Standard User TrishaH
(committed) Tue 26-Mar-13 01:02:12
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Re: Windows Choice: XP Home or Windows 7 Pro 32 bit or 64 b


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Microsoft provide a virtual machine running XP called 'XP Mode' - I use it for unsupported software on my Win 7 64 bit system. Free and no need to worry about transferring your old XP license.


I dreaded losing XP, but new computer had W7 Pro. I installed the virtual machine XP Mode - that was 2 years ago, and I've never had the need to use it.
It will of course depend on what programmes are needed.

Standard User martinsq
(regular) Tue 26-Mar-13 02:18:36
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In reply to a post by Pipexer:
Is this for a new PC?

Go with Windows 8 and save yourself the bother.


Quite the opposite. Most of us skipped Vista, Gone with W7, 64bit if you can.

Don't bother with W8, wait for Micro$oft to get it right next time.
Martin
Standard User Spasch
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 26-Mar-13 12:37:09
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In reply to a post by TrishaH:
I dreaded losing XP, but new computer had W7 Pro. I installed the virtual machine XP Mode - that was 2 years ago, and I've never had the need to use it.
It will of course depend on what programmes are needed.
I use it to scan docs from my old HP multifunction as HP haven't released the full suite for Win7 64bit, only the drivers.
Standard User undecidedadrian
(member) Tue 26-Mar-13 14:02:08
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Re: Windows Choice: XP Home or Windows 7 Pro 32 bit or 64 b


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In reply to a post by johnjburness:
Purely my own personal perception (I'm certainly no expert):-

Home or Pro?
I personally cannot see the benefit of Pro in a Home situation - unless you have extensive Servers at Home.


There is a physical memory limit on Windows 7 64-bit Home premium of 16 Gigabytes.

It sounds a lot but now most new motherboards have limits of 32 Gigabytes or more for physical ram., Also we are seeing the next generation of graphics cards coming with 6 Gigabytes of memory on board.

It might be in the OP's best interest now if he is intending to stick with his new computer for a while to go for Pro as Home Premium will be looking a bit restrictive soon.
Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 26-Mar-13 17:15:12
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Windows 8 is far superior to Windows 7. Rather than talking a load of [censored], perhaps come up with a reason other than "I don't like the start screen" as to why you think Windows 8 isn't "right".

I'm starting to have the opinion now that anyone who says that Windows 8 is rubbish clearly doesn't know much about computers.

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Standard User tommy45
(knowledge is power) Tue 26-Mar-13 17:57:29
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Having used both Win 7 ands XP i personally prefare XP if you are a gamer and have a lot of older games that are DX9 stay with xp, unless you also have a pci sound card ,and one that provides DX9 support in win 7 , as win 7 is DX10-11
Although your games will probably run, the in game sounds will be lacking/broken in various ways, Oh and i have tried the Realtek sound back sware, still the same problem,
But in win 7 once you disable all the nonsence that prevents the owner from having full control over the os, it's ok, It manages memory better than xp does, And it looks nicer, but if they had included DX9 support or created an xp mode so you could of played older games without any issues , but this is microc**p we are talking about after all, As for the support for xp is ending , is it the end of the world? no, As for third party vendors ceasing to support xp too, maybe some will, but not all of them

Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Tue 26-Mar-13 18:00:28
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In reply to a post by Pipexer:
I'm starting to have the opinion now that anyone who says that Windows 8 is rubbish clearly doesn't know much about computers.


TBH I haven't tried it, but you tend to be a lone voice in the 'for Win 8' camp, at least on here. Rather than go all negative about others, make the case for Win 8, and see if people refute the points.

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Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Tue 26-Mar-13 18:01:53
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Also...are you using Win 8 on a desktop?

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Standard User Sark
(legend) Tue 26-Mar-13 18:10:34
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Re: Windows Choice: XP Home or Windows 7 Pro 32 bit or 64 b


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Windows 7 - 64 bit. You really don't want to be using XP as the main O/S on a new system. It is already obsolete, nearly unsupported and will become increasingly dated and vulnerable over your system's lifetime particularly if you intend it to last 10 years. If you have some really old apps that just won't run under Windows 7 your options are to buy the Pro version which comes with 'XP mode' or use Virtualbox (free) with your unopened copy of XP Home.

John.
Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 26-Mar-13 18:27:36
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Yes!! I am using it on my desktop at home, my desktop at work - so that's 12 hours a day on it at least. I have it on all my laptops, I have it on my surface (obviously), I have upgraded all the computers in the house to Windows 8. I must have upgraded over 10 friends/family computers to Windows 8 in addition.

I've made the cases for why I like it so much on here a couple of times, I've got a bit bored repeating it now but to name a few things

-It is faster and more efficient, and better on system resources.
-It is more stable/robust
-It has more functionality
-It works on more modern hardware
-It is more secure
-It has better multi-monitor support
-RDP is vastly improved

The negatives..

-Start screen possibly? I tend to only spend <1% of my time looking for programs to launch, not sure about others... so I don't see what the big problem is here. If you're a power user you start typing to search to open a program anyway.
-Modern UI (not a valid reason, just ignore it if it is a problem - you're not forced to use it other than the start screen)
-Can't think of anymore

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Edited by Pipexer (Tue 26-Mar-13 18:34:13)

Standard User Sark
(legend) Tue 26-Mar-13 18:31:19
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There can be no dispute that Win 8 is technically superior to Win 7. However, I think the biggest argument against Win 8 is that it has a shiny new UI but still a dearth of high quality applications! The new start menu is fine on desktops even though it does take some getting used to. But until the ecosystem is much more mature people will just be put off by having to learn something new to do the same things they always did. It's ironic because Microsoft in the past have gone to great lengths to ensure there was already an ecosystem in place before releasing the O/S or other products. It's the number one reason they were able to take over the world. Ballmer is no Gates.

John.
Standard User philippercival
(experienced) Wed 27-Mar-13 00:01:33
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.....

Edit

Sorry should have ready to the end of messages, I was repeating virtual machine comments.

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Standard User johnb2008
(learned) Wed 27-Mar-13 00:34:06
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I upgraded my 5 year old Vista Home Premium 32bit laptop to W8 Pro, via the cheap upgrade option before it went to full price. I went 64 bit first, but found it a bit unstable , so I reinstalled it as 32 bit. It seems better now, but not perfect. I cannot get W8 versions of some drivers. I got an SSD too, so startup and shutdown times are quite quick now (startup around 20s). I find it a huge improvement in almost every way.

HOWEVER, I also purchased Stardock's 'Start8', which I strongly recommend. My laptop now boots straight into the desktop screen. I never see (or use!) the Metro screen and I now have an XP/Vista/W7 style start menu too. It is worth every penny of $5.
Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 27-Mar-13 02:06:38
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Me too but I plumped for the free Classic Shell for W8 Pro and got another licence for my other machine while W8 was cheap. Classic Shell also offers the choice of Win 98, WinXP or Win 7 skins for the start menu and boots to desktop too with tons of tweakable options, perhaps too many which is why you can also select basic options mode.

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