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I'm getting an increased number of emails from these cowboys. They're not directly from them but purport to be from other companies and say in the email body You have received this email because you are a member of The Trading Floor.
We respect your privacy and only send emails to registered users - for more information see email footer. Clearly a load of bovine excrement.
The emails automatically go into my Junk email folder, and I've set an Outlook rule to delete them, but it's not doing anything. The rule says Apply this rule after the message arrives with 'The Trading Floor' in the body
delete it
and stop processing more rules Even test running it on the Junk email folder it does nothing.
Any thoughts on what's wrong with the rule? Or is it the approach that's at fault?
Tony
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I think it is because Outlook applies its own junk filters before applying user defined rules. Like you I find it a pain it does it that way especially as you cannot search the junk folder.
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During the rule set up or amendment it gives the option to Run now on a chosen folder, so choose the Junk email folder. It still doesn't work.
Move the offending emails to the Inbox and run the rule against the Inbox and it still doesn't work.
Something strange going on but I've currently no idea what.
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It should work. The emails automatically go into my Junk email folder Why? You don't have a rule for that? Is that Outlook's own spam filtering? Can't you switch it off?
Does it need 'and stop processing more rules'?
Perhaps the text has some hidden chars in it. Try 'Save As' the msg somewhere and inspect it with Notepad. Try just testing for 'Trading' for the mo'.
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Changed the text to Trading, removed 'stop processing more rules' and reran on Junk Email folder, nothing. Moved the emails to the Inbox and ran it against Inbox, nothing.
When the messages are in the Junk email folder all the formatting is removed and there doesn't look to be any hidden characters. Saving it and looking at it with HexEdit shows X00 between each character, but I'd guess that's because 2-byte encoding is being used rather than actual hidden characters.
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You still haven't said why these things end up in Junk Folder?
Send yourself an innocuous email containing the phrase you are filtering, hope it isn't Junked by Outlook and see if that works. If it does you know its something to do with the Junkung.
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I have Outlook's junk email protection set to Low - Move the most obvious junk e-mail to the Junk e-mail folder.
I think there's an update that comes from MS every so often that updates some Outlook filter, not sure where that is to look at it, assuming it's in a file somewhere.
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Something I have wondered about: Does moving mail to the Junk folder help MS maintain its Junk filtering more accurately rather than just a straight delete from the Inbox?
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Isn't it a case of false positives? Lets you check whether you really want it.
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Replying to my OP for convenience.
I've found out that The Trading Floor is part of a group called Callcredit Information Group, they list 14 web sites that they have. One of these is noddle<dot>co<dot>uk.
Following a recommendation from a national broadsheet newspaper I registered with noddle for a free credit report. Thinking back, it's probably a few months after that I started to get emails from Trading Floor and associated organisations.
I'm now attempting to unsubscribe from noddle and all associated web sites. We'll see.
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FWIW: I joined Noddle over 2 years ago, but I've never had anything from The Trading Floor.
There are 2 The Trading Floors:
https://www.tradingfloor.com/
http://www.callcredit.co.uk/products-and-services/co...
You sure it's the CallCredit one?
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Edited by XRaySpeX (Wed 22-Oct-14 12:53:13)
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To be honest I don't know.
The emails only state
You have received this email because you are a member of The Trading Floor.
We respect your privacy and only send emails to registered users - for more information see email footer. There is nothing anywhere in the email that gives a URL referring to the trading floor or Callcredit. I'm wary of unsubscribing in case that merely confirms my email address to this bunch of spammers.
Tony
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Did you try sending one to yourself?
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Do you mean forwarding it to myself?
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No, I just meant a plain email with the phrase in it for starters to see if it filters.
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Thanks for letting me have a copy. looking at it with HexEdit shows X00 between each character, but I'd guess that's because 2-byte encoding is being used Eh? Looking at it with both DOS DEBUG & MiTeC HEX Editor does not show here any x00 fillers. It is all plain text and headers state it is all encoded in single byte ISO-8859-1.
Now to try filtering it.
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I've sent you another copy of the email, this time saved as an Outlook item - .msg. Examining this file shows the 00 filler bytes amongst the text.
Though this of course may be purely a result of saving the email as a file.
Tony
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No tried sending a test email and it gets deleted.
That seems to suggest the Outlook Junk filter is taking precedent and my rule isn't getting a look in.
I've turned off Outlook's automatic filter and will see what happens.
Edit:
Just found this Note: The Junk Email filter in Outlook 2003, 2007 and 2010 runs before Rules Wizard in current versions (with latest service packs installed). So that says any personal rules are not processed.
I'm reluctant to turn off Outlook's Junk filter permanently so I suspect I'll go back to seeing these emails appear and just manually delete them.
As a point of, perhaps, interest, looking at all of them in the Junk folder, the originating email address domain is one of three:
app<dot>topica<dot>com
safe-routes<dot>com
i<dot>offers<dot>bespokeoffers<dot>co<dot>uk
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Edited by cheshire_man (Thu 23-Oct-14 07:31:01)
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If I start getting a lot of spam in my junk folder from the same user/domain I add that to the Blocked Sender list which stops them even getting as far as the junk folder. Problem is when they randomly spoof the sender id ... 
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As a another matter of interest, of your 3 originating domains only the first is bounced by my Orange email server. Not as a sender but within the body of text. The Tiscali (TT) server doesn't bounce it.
Perhaps that's what OL's junk mail thing is doing when it finds that domain in the body (as links).
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The filter does not single out any particular sender or type of e-mail message. The filter is based on the content of the message in general and uses advanced analysis of the message structure to determine the probability that it is a junk e-mail message Yes you can see why it doesn't check senders. Spammers use innocent senders they've harvested. It's all done on contents.
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TEST topica.com
Does your notification email from TBB get junked by OL's junk email protection? I think it should.
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You're assuming I get notification emails... 
However I sent an email from another email address I have to my normal one with your first line copy & pasted into the email body.
When it arrived at my normal account it went into the Inbox, not the Junked email box
The OL junk protection was set to Low, it's normal setting.
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TEST www.topica.com
I did so assume 
It must be when it is within links. How about this one? Does it get junked?
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I sent an email to myself from another email address with www<dot>topica<dot>com in the body of the email.
Straight into my Inbox, no junking.
Wonder if it's when that URL is in the email header, from address or similar that causes the junking?
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Bang goes that idea then .
Try forwarding one of the TTF emails NOT as an attchment to yourself. It will be coming from you instead of topica<dot>com so it should not have topica<dot>com in the headers, but they will remain as links in the body.
Does it get Junked upon arrival?
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Edited by XRaySpeX (Mon 27-Oct-14 23:49:39)
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I've been hampered in investigating this further cuz I think my, and possibly your, email servers are dropping constructed similar spam emails or changing their contents. Perhaps they are MS Exchange servers as they seem to be following the same spam filter rules as MS Outlook.
However, basically I think what is happening to you is that Outlook's junk mail filter is placing these spam into your Junk folder as they contain links pointing at topica<dot>com.
OL does not apply your own rules to these junked mail that it has already found.
I cannot say why you can't test apply your rules to the Junk folder manually as I've only ever seen rules applied to the Inbox ('apply rule after msg arrives') and OE, which I'm using, does not have that facility.
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[Replying to myself for convenience]
...I'm wary of unsubscribing in case that merely confirms my email address to this bunch of spammers. I decided to bite the bullet on this and did unsubscribe a week ago. No emails from them since
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