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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 23-Jan-15 01:08:21
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Rumour has it in several online magazines that Win 10 will be a free upgrade for Win 7/8.1 users initially. Thoughts?

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Fri 23-Jan-15 01:23:23
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Do you mean will it be true, or do you mean what are our thoughts on "upgrading" to it?

Yes it's true, for the first 12 months. Don't know about afterwards.

Thoughts? I know very little about it so far except they say the user experience will be the same on all devices.

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Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 23-Jan-15 09:10:21
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There are some disagreements as to what exactly this means.

Most people agree this means if you upgrade in the first 12 months then you will get Win 10 for free permanently.

Some have read it as Win 10 being free for the first 12 months (as a trial) and then would have to be paid for, perhaps by subscription, after that. This is the way MS are moving but most agree that the first reading is probably correct.

The other thing they are saying is that OS upgrades would be free for the lifetime of the device. But, no definition of what "lifetime of device" means, nothing to say if this includes "major" upgrades (like Win 11+) and doesn't say whether this is for new purchases or includes the free upgrades to Win 10.

I bought a new TomTom last year which has "free map updates and traffic services for the lifetime of the device". In the Ts&Cs though it is pretty clear it is them that decide what that lifetime is and they can actually remove support at any point they wish. Only time will tell how good an offer this is.

Anyway, Win 10 is looking fairly good so I think I will be upgrading all of my windows machines in the first 12 months.


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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Fri 23-Jan-15 10:22:55
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The first I heard of this was a friend telling me they were moving to free OS because all others are. I assume OS bundling still doesn't happen in the US, but maybe things have changed. The 12 months could be a trial period for them to assess the effect.

I agree on other software they are moving to a subscription model. That's the way of the world for many things now. Such as car "purchase" in the UK.

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Standard User Oldjim
(knowledge is power) Fri 23-Jan-15 10:25:56
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I took "Free for the lifetime of the device" as being equivalent to an OEM license so upgrades of motherboard etc. wouldn't be possible.
If this is the case I certainly won't be upgrading my full Win 7 license
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 23-Jan-15 10:32:13
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In reply to a post by Oldjim:
I took "Free for the lifetime of the device" as being equivalent to an OEM license so upgrades of motherboard etc. wouldn't be possible.
If this is the case I certainly won't be upgrading my full Win 7 license


Again, there is some interpretation here. The "upgrades" are free for the lifetime of the device. So, it could be that you own a full version of Win 7 and for the life of the device it is on you get free upgrades. Now, once the device lifetime is ended then it reverts to a perpetual Win 7 (in which case you have lost nothing).

That is a way to read it. Until MS give a lot more details of the license conditions though it is ambiguous and conjecture.
Standard User IanBB
(member) Fri 23-Jan-15 11:57:46
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The Windows 10 FAQ confirms your statement Ian in that if you upgrade in the 1st 12 months it is free permanently.
Standard User cheshire_man
(knowledge is power) Fri 23-Jan-15 12:19:17
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Even if the question is truncated, it says How much will Windows 10?

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Standard User IanBB
(member) Fri 23-Jan-15 12:26:34
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Read on and it says Wow, thats cool, but does that mean, I will have to pay for Windows 10 after the first year?

No. Its a promotion to get as many users to upgrade their existing Windows 7 PCs and Windows 8.1 devices to Windows 10.
Standard User cheshire_man
(knowledge is power) Fri 23-Jan-15 12:37:43
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I did read on, and I repeat that the question at the head of that paragraph omits the word 'cost'. Yes, it's a typo, but that doesn't negate my post.

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 23-Jan-15 14:09:59
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Will new PCs be sold soon with Win 10 installed? Or will you need to buy a Win 8.1 PC, as currently on sale, and take this free upgrade to Win 10?

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Standard User Oldjim
(knowledge is power) Fri 23-Jan-15 14:15:46
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Reading the FAQ linked here it appears that once you buy Windows 10 it doesn't have an end of life cut off so carries on indefinitely subject to "Lifetime of the device"
This has to mean that system upgrades will be very restricted and more than likely will be exactly the same as the present OEM license which means that when I upgrade my motherboard and/or CPU I will need to buy another license.
Any other scenario would mean that Microsoft would lose an fair chunk of revenue
This is more than a one-time upgrade: once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device – at no additional charge. With Windows 10, the experience will evolve and get even better over time. We’ll deliver new features when they’re ready, not waiting for the next major release. We think of Windows as a Service – in fact, one could reasonably think of Windows in the next couple of years as one of the largest Internet services on the planet.

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Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 23-Jan-15 14:29:11
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Win 10 is a little way off yet (late 2015 by news reports) so until it is released PCs will continue to come with Win 8.1. Once it is released most PCs will shift to Win 10 but obviously old stock may be supplier with 8.1 for a while.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Fri 23-Jan-15 17:54:11
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Also a Titus Alert:-
What is Windows 10?

Windows 10 is the name for Microsofts next generation operating system.


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Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 23-Jan-15 18:00:59
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In reply to a post by IanBB:
The Windows 10 FAQ confirms your statement Ian in that if you upgrade in the 1st 12 months it is free permanently.

While it all looks correct from a quick glance; it was written by a non-Microsoft employee and appears to be an unofficial FAQ.

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Standard User Oldjim
(knowledge is power) Fri 23-Jan-15 18:25:19
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but it included links
and this is the relevant one http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/01/21/...
BUT
These are the actual words
This is more than a one-time upgrade: once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device – at no cost
So what is the supported lifetime of the device

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Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 23-Jan-15 18:38:14
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In reply to a post by Oldjim:
So what is the supported lifetime of the device

Well that's kinda obvious... They will continue updating but there will become a point where you device doesn't meet the revised system requirements or whatever, at that point game over.

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Standard User Oldjim
(knowledge is power) Fri 23-Jan-15 18:47:03
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I hope that you are correct and for devices which aren't upgradeable I would think that you are.
However for a computer what is classed as an upgrade and allowed and what would make it seen as a new machine and then the license would no longer be valid
Given the way I build and rebuild my computer Microsoft wouldn't get another penny out of me
Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 23-Jan-15 18:57:59
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Well that has never been "cut and dry" with regards to upgrading computers etc. I suspect they will have to clamp down on that a little bit. To be honest though even if you do have to start paying I doubt many people are going to kick up much of a fuss... You may say they won't get another penny from you but that might well change.

I am happy to pay Microsoft reasonable amounts of money for Windows on my systems. What I am not prepared to pay is for cloud services that I am forced into. if they pull that stunt then I too would be sticking with Windows 8.1. Note that does not mean subscription services, I am fairly OK with that, I am not OK with having my OS forcibly tied into cloud services beyond reason.

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Standard User Oldjim
(knowledge is power) Fri 23-Jan-15 19:08:16
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In my case I almost certainly won't upgrade as I intend to do a full rebuild later this year which will involve moving my present system to my old XP case (the PSU is OK for it) along with my last but one graphics card which is presently sitting in a drawer
The new system will probably have a Xeon processor as I don't want on board graphics and the price is only a bit more than the i5 CPU

Edited by Oldjim (Fri 23-Jan-15 19:11:50)

Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 26-Jan-15 09:01:55
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They have had times when it was cut and dried. There was a point where swapping a hard disk was enough to count as a "new PC". There have also been times where it was done on a kind of points basis - you could replace one or 2 bits but go any further and it would trigger. These days it is slightly less obvious as so many people complained about the previous systems.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 26-Jan-15 10:50:13
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Anyone tried the latest build?
I made room for it on the Linux drive on this computer, just to check it out.

Menu is awful, too large and those tiles are naff, I prefer just plain text. I know things will change, the menu will be resizable. some linux distros been doing this for years.

No way to get to start screen now if you do not want a menu, but you can expand the start menu to full size.

Too much integration with Modern UI apps, it is not a bad thing, but sometimes it is difficult to see what are modern apps and what are normal apps. Windows 8 it was like two separate operating systems. So I can understand why MS is doing this, but it would be nice if there was a switch to just turn off all Modern UI apps.

Compatibility problems, two of my software, Sony Vegas and Adobe Photoshop refuses to run, In fact Vegas will not even register.

Still no drivers for my network adaptor and yet it uses a well known chipset, Linux can do it, so why not MS?

The GUI is a bit tacky to be honest, looks like they have really dumbed it down. I understand that this windows is for lower powered machines as well, but it would be nice to have a choice.

Control panel is kind of hidden, unless you knew that it was right click on the start menu, you would never find it.

cortana do not work in this country unless you change the region, but at least you can get rid of the stupid search box on the taskbar.

IE while it seems to work faster , the look of it is still rubbish.

A couple of driver problem, so again compatibility again is a issue, feels like Vista all over again.

Seems like there is going to be more integration, more ways to get people to connect their computer to the MS account, with Skype being integrated into a messenger service. that is fine as long as they still allow people to install the desktop version of Skype.

The one good thing is that it seems snappier than Windows 8.1, but that is I think because they dumb down the UI so much.

I have now taken it off this machine, but I will put it on my laptop so I can keep a eye on it.

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Standard User DavidFinbarr
(freechataholic) Mon 26-Jan-15 11:13:26
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I'm trying in on a lappy (dual boot with Win 7)

I like the look of it, but agree about the menu. I've put classic shell on, and now have a start menu I like

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 26-Jan-15 21:10:27
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There is a way to get the old resiszable start menu back. Link follows

http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/3674-start-menu-e...

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 27-Jan-15 09:21:11
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In reply to a post by Banger:
There is a way to get the old resiszable start menu back. Link follows

http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/3674-start-menu-e...


That is useful to know, I will post it on another forum as some people on there are saying they do not like the new menu.
But the way it is hidden, it seems like MS will take it away on the final build or before.

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