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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 25-Nov-15 23:28:03
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I've been out of touch with this lately , but a simple Q I think.

When you update your Win 8.1 to Win 10, you do get to keep all your existing programs & data?

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Standard User Oliver341
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 25-Nov-15 23:36:22
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Yes.

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Wed 25-Nov-15 23:53:51
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But is it a good idea? It's still nothing more than a glorified beta from what we see here.

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 26-Nov-15 00:16:02
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Thanks, Bob. Yes, that was what I was also wondering.

I've been waiting to buy a high-end HP Desktop with Win 10 pre-installed. They are now available. I waited till Black Friday but they are only offering the low-end. So it looks like I'll wait for the new year. Based on what happened with Win 8 I'll think I'll now wait for Win 10.1. More waiting, but I'm not in a great hurry smile.

When I do eventually get a Win 10.x desktop, I was wondering whether to upgrade my Win 8.1 lappy to Win 10.x just have the same OS on both. I believe I have till June/July 2016 for the free upgrade.

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Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 26-Nov-15 00:29:09
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But is it a good idea? It's still nothing more than a glorified beta from what we see here.

Works fine for me on all my computers. What makes you think it is a glorified beta?

On the OP point though, yes, indeed, that is naughty, it shouldn't be doing that.

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Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 26-Nov-15 00:32:18
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You're not going to see a Windows 10.1 anytime soon, or at all - and actually Threshold 2/November update is somewhat Windows 10.05 if you want to look at it another way. With the November update, I'd say go for it.

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Standard User TinyMongomery
(experienced) Thu 26-Nov-15 07:04:06
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Programs and data are preserved as long as you don't change from a 32-bit to 64-bit version.

Those who have not upgraded will tell you it is a bad idea. Those who have done the upgrade will tell you it is a good idea. Windows 10 is a great improvement on previous versions, particularly if you have a number of Windows devices. Whether you believe those who have experienced 10 or those who haven't is a personal decision.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 26-Nov-15 09:22:18
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Yes as people have said, but even so make a back up, in fact make a image of your system then if you do not like or if something goes wrong it is easy to go back.

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 26-Nov-15 09:29:42
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Programs and data are preserved as long as you don't change from a 32-bit to 64-bit version.

Those who have not upgraded will tell you it is a bad idea. Those who have done the upgrade will tell you it is a good idea. Windows 10 is a great improvement on previous versions, particularly if you have a number of Windows devices. Whether you believe those who have experienced 10 or those who haven't is a personal decision.


I have used Windows 10 before it was released and after it was released for a while until the drive I had it on went belly up. i did go back to Windows 8.1, but last week I put 10 back onto my computer after the new update.,

The core of Windows 10 is good, it is fast, takes less memory, processing power and storage space. The problem with 10 is the EULA, the spying, the way Ms seems to want control over your computer and the fact that Ms can just add on stuff and we have no choice.

The big November update got rid of users default settings, which I think Ms meant to do and the only reason they pulled it was because of the complaints. You can not tell me that Ms did not test the update and did not know that it would put all setting back to defaults?

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Standard User Spuriousfish
(learned) Thu 26-Nov-15 10:34:33
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It's not surprising really that you'll get lots of different opinions about the pros and cons of Windows 10. Even within this thread you can see vague statements that it's a great improvement on previous versions without defining exactly how that is, or that its still a glorified beta again without defining what that means.

To a large extent it depends on just what you want to do and the only way to find out if any version is best for you is to try it. My wife just browses the internet and checks email and she could just as easily do this on XP, Vista, 7, 8 or 10 or even Linux.

On the other hand I have a large number of paid for programs that I've run on Vista, 7 8 and tried on 10 and I can't say my experience was any better using the latest OS. What really made a difference in performance was updating the hardware.

So why did I update from Vista to 8, well mostly because some of the software I was using had features added in later releases that I needed ( need not want) and would only run in Win 8.

I've run Win10 for a number of months and can't say that it improves my life or productivity. What I really don't like is the lack of control over updates and the privacy issues.... meaning unless your careful you can finish up handing over a lot of your data to MS for them to make money from. The Apps I find mostly trivial and useless and I have no ambition to have all my life controlled by MS by using their tablets and phones and I don't use the Cloud for anything

But do try it if you must but dig deeply into the settings if you can find them. Always take a backup of your data before making any changes. You have 30 day in which to roll back to your previous OS, after that you're stuck with it.

Personally I wouldn't do the update but would do a clean install.

Each to his own and good luck if you go with it smile
Standard User rogerfp
(member) Thu 26-Nov-15 18:02:19
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I've installed Windows 10 on all our laptops and PCs and can quite honestly say it works just fine. It keeps all the programs and data. Generally if programs works under 8.1 it'll work under 10. To be safe always back up at least your data before an upgrade as you should on a regular basis anyway. Not a massive difference from Windows 8/8.1 in usability, but seems slightly more stable and less buggy. However after the upgrade, 3 out of 7 experienced freezing or hanging which appears to be quite a common problem. As I couldn't be bothered to troubleshoot these issues, I backed up everything on each of these to our NAS and did clean installs on these machines, after which they ran perfectly.
Ask any IT professional and they will all tell you a clean install is always the best option. Ask anyone at Microsoft and they will tell you the same, but not in public. Microsoft have to promote upgrades as if they didn't then very few would buy new OS as the majority of users atre not technically competent to clean install Windows.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Fri 27-Nov-15 01:38:03
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Works fine for me on all my computers. What makes you think it is a glorified beta?
Things like this thread. Then these posts.
In reply to a post by Spuriousfish:
I've run Win10 for a number of months and can't say that it improves my life or productivity. What I really don't like is the lack of control over updates and the privacy issues.... meaning unless your careful you can finish up handing over a lot of your data to MS for them to make money from.
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I've installed Windows 10 on all our laptops and PCs and can quite honestly say it works just fine. It keeps all the programs and data. Generally if programs works under 8.1 it'll work under 10. To be safe always back up at least your data before an upgrade as you should on a regular basis anyway. Not a massive difference from Windows 8/8.1 in usability, but seems slightly more stable and less buggy. However after the upgrade, 3 out of 7 experienced freezing or hanging which appears to be quite a common problem. As I couldn't be bothered to troubleshoot these issues, I backed up everything on each of these to our NAS and did clean installs on these machines, after which they ran perfectly.
Ask any IT professional and they will all tell you a clean install is always the best option. Ask anyone at Microsoft and they will tell you the same, but not in public. Microsoft have to promote upgrades as if they didn't then very few would buy new OS as the majority of users atre not technically competent to clean install Windows.
Just from today, and how long has it been out?

As for the last of those, "Generally if programs works under 8.1 it'll work under 10", great. And if some don't?

"after the upgrade, 3 out of 7 experienced freezing or hanging which appears to be quite a common problem". So probably be avoided by doing a clean install. Yeah, right! Email clients love that.

Today I even found on 8.1 that when I did a "Save as" with an emailed then amended PDF to it defaulted to directory C:\Bob\OneDrive\Documents .... and I didn't spot the OneDrive when changing it. That's happened a couple of times. Easy enough to sort out, but I do not want to use OneDrive in any way, shape or form! Accidentally picked it up somehow recently and keep failing to remember to find out how to disable it permanently.

So do I want to spent time ploughing through the intrusive Win 10 spy systems disabling each one? Then checking after each uncontrollable update?

I'm technically competent to do a clean install of a different OS, but if I need to do it to move from 8.1 to 10 then the clean install can come on my next machine thank you smile. I'm not saying people mustn't do it, but if they are running fine on 7 or 8.1, then stuff 10 wink.

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 27-Nov-15 02:23:19
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On the OP point though, yes, indeed, that is naughty, it shouldn't be doing that.
confused Shouldn't be doing what? I made no such point.

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 27-Nov-15 02:30:53
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You're not going to see a Windows 10.1 anytime soon, or at all
So they said about Win 8 in the beginning.

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 27-Nov-15 02:35:47
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Yes, I can speculate as well as the next man. Yes, there is no consensus either way as yet. I've got time to let it settle down & iron out the creases.

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Standard User rogerfp
(member) Fri 27-Nov-15 19:01:54
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There is no upgrade path from a 32 bit to 64bit version of Windows. The only way to go from 32bit to 64bit is a clean install.
Standard User rogerfp
(member) Fri 27-Nov-15 19:17:26
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You are competent to do a clean install but not happy to do a install and configure an email client successfully?
"Generally if programs works under 8.1 it'll work under 10", great. And if some don't?"
Anyone who is competent with computers and has can IQ, should be able sort it out. Hardly rocket science.
Unfortunately there are too many negative comments about Windows 10 on here, by people who are technically inept and don't know what they are talking about.,

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 27-Nov-15 21:12:11
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Clean install? Where do you get the wherewithal to do a clean install w/out paying for it? Windows Update is only offering you an Update to Win 10 for free.

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Standard User TinyMongomery
(experienced) Fri 27-Nov-15 21:33:51
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Easy.

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Standard User rogerfp
(member) Fri 27-Nov-15 22:49:25
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I am lucky enough to legitimately not have to pay for any Microsoft O/S or Application software, It's called a Microsoft Volume Licence, so it's not a problem for me. I just have to log in to a Microsoft server and download whatever software ISO I want, often before public release. The last O/S I bought was Windows 3.1. I'm using the Enterprise version of Windows 10. Having said that it's pretty easy to create installation media from the Windows 10 update to use for a clean install without doing an upgrade, if you are technically competent.

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 27-Nov-15 23:10:47
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Ah, yes, so it is, relatively. I remember doing much the same to make an XP SP2 installation disk. Never used it in earnest; only as a repair disk for another XP PC.

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