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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 02-May-16 19:30:56
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Re: Staying with Win7 (GRC Never Win10)


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
Still have telemetry, there is software that says they get rid of it, but not sure if they do. MS done a update to put the same telemetry on Windows 7 and 8.1, I did not download it.

Some apps will remove with ease, but others you need to use the powershell to do it.

so you stick everything on the desktop and taskbar, I do not like icons on the desktop, I have got a few on the taskbar, the rest are on the start menu.

Adrian

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 02-May-16 19:32:02
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Re: Staying with Win7 (GRC Never Win10)


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Just a quickie, if Windows 8 drivers are available for the printer they should work with Windows 10,

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Standard User Ancient_Mariner
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 02-May-16 19:52:41
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Re: Staying with Win7 (GRC Never Win10)


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With the Oki C5200n is seems to get convoluted. Their website has nothing for Win 8 or 8.1 and for Win 7 says to use Vista drivers! That said my C5200n prints happily from my Win7 64-bit Pro pc. Cannot remember now whether it picked up the drivers from the Win 7 disk or what.

As for my HP 1200 Whilst there is a Win 7 driver listed, many users have had difficulty using it. At first I could not. Eventually I found that I could print so long as I used the USB port on the printer and not the LPT parallel connection which I preferred.

Until "something happened" my HP1200 was on my network with a printer network adapter - Netgear. I could print from WinXP as could my wife on her WinXP pc. Then after returning from holiday with everything switched off the printer network adapter refused to work or reinstall. I am suspicious since on another occasion I "lost" my Canon Lide 80 scanner ability to use Microsoft Office Document Scanning. Eventually found out that this was a deliberate feature on an Office upgrade which was to bring Office 2003 (what I use) into line with a later version! Eventually managed to return usability, only to loose the use of that scanner completely when I went to Win 7 - Canon deciding not to provide Win 7 64-bit drivers for the Lide 80. (They do offer 32-bit) And nothing for Win 10 either!

That's a thought? Wonder if my Lide 210 is Win 10 compatible? And it is, released last month.

Talk about built in obsolescence...

Cheers!

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Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 02-May-16 21:20:31
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Re: Staying with Win7 (GRC Never Win10)


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The windows coding team broke the LPT driver in the November update and it has only recently been fixed with a windows update. The quick fix was to write a script to disable then enable the LPT port at boot up before they fixed it.

My Lide 220 is win 10 compatible.

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Standard User philippercival
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 02-May-16 23:23:46
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Re: Staying with Win7 (GRC Never Win10)


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HP LaserJet 1200 PCL5
Hp LaseeJet 1200 PS
OKI PCL6 Class driver

Are all listed, though particularly in the case of the OKI I am not sure if these are yours.

My HP BW lasjet is the HP6P which I think is at lease 17 years old and Win 10 did not even bat an eyelid at that

Interestingly I had to hunt for the add a printer by hand (the old method as WIN 10 certainly initially and with my printers just did it all automatically.

I am afraid I am not an expert on virtual machines, though I have used it to revive an old scanner (which I forgot to mention I did have to ditch after 12 years). However it should be possible for you to set up something like ORACLE Virtual machine which is free, then install WIN 10 within that. I useda link from this pageto get my copy of Win 10 for the fresh install. During the install if I remember correctly I just fed in my WIN 7 key. Once you have the virtual machine up and running you should be able to test the printers.

I hope this is helpful but I confess all I know about USB servers has been gleened from Google after typing in your device names.

Edit: the scanner I had to ditch on the upgrade was an Epson 2580 photscanner. It had an excellent negative feeder. Epson refused to release a 64bit driver so for a few years to use the photo bits, I have had to hook it up to an XP machine. I could have kept it and used Vuscan which can drive it from Win 10, but you have to buy that and a new better scanner was almost the same price, though not as good with negatives I suspect. Built in obsolescence as you say.

Edited by philippercival (Mon 02-May-16 23:35:00)

Standard User cheshire_man
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 03-May-16 08:12:56
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Re: Staying with Win7 (GRC Never Win10)


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Both my printers, HP Laserjet 1320 and Epson XP-605, and my Epson V500 scanner, worked straight away after installing Win 10. Installing Win 7 after XP I had some fiddling to do to get the LJ1320 & V500 working (the XP-605 was Win 7 from the beginning).

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Standard User Ancient_Mariner
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 03-May-16 21:00:12
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I heard back today from both OKI and Silex.

Oki say in reply to my Win 10 driver availability for a C5200n, "Currently there are no drivers for this printer for Windows 10, and unfortunately I don't have information about eta of releasing them."

That does not sound too good.

Silex reply was, "We have not tested old products like the SX-2000U2 with the latest version of SX-Virtual Link. But SX-VL 3.17.0 or 4.0.0 is compatible with Windows 10 and should work fine."

Which is good news should I buy a new colour printer.

I may try one of my pc's on Win10 and see what happens, they say that you can go back....

Cheers!

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Standard User longedge
(committed) Tue 03-May-16 22:18:33
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I've had long hair pulling sessions recently getting an HP5100N working under Win10 but I finally managed it by installing a Win7 driver. My view was that the printer was still perfectly serviceable so it was worth persevering and it has paid off in the end.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 04-May-16 09:48:53
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Re: Staying with Win7 (GRC Never Win10)


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Do you really need to update to Windows 10? you could try it and then if it don't work go back to your old OS, that way your computer is then linked with Windows 10 and if at some point after the offer you get new printers you can install 10 again.

My HP scanner is getting on now, but HP makes drivers for Windows 8.1 which works on 10, even the software works, but that was made for XP, the software is not needed but it does make the buttons on the front of the scanner functional. The only problems I did have with Windows 10 was with it own scanner software, for some reason I did not recognise the paper feeder on the scanner and sometimes the computer did not recognise the scanner full stop. Never had a problem in Xp,7 or 8.1


Windows 8.1 reconises my printer and install their own drivers, so Windows 10 did the same thing, but no software to check the ink level. Thankfully Canon produces the drivers for both 8.1 and then, mainly because the printer is still being produced.

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Standard User philippercival
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 04-May-16 10:06:13
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I am sure that it is not really necessary to update from WIN 7, at the moment. Win & was always a very nice interface and for me at any rate fairly efficient compared to what came before.

The "BUT" though is that periodically you do just need to bite the bullet and do it. I was in the process of buying one new computer and doing a shuffle round the house to get rid of a couple of very old XP machines, which had refused to stop working. Having got rid of the XP machines as everything else was entitled to the free upgrade, I decided to go ahead and get them all looking the same, well except for the Kubuntu Linux machine.

Sadly there is normally a cost to these things in that some hardware and software is almost bound to be incompatible.

HP I think are an example certainly with there printers where a little jiggling will almost always produce a working driver as almost everything they have ever produced still works. In part because they along with Epson set the standards back in the good old dot matrix days.

Another big BUT comes in here though, I can not remember what my early scanners and printers (Star - Epson compatible) cost, but it was hugely more than now and for good or evil I think that we have all gone down the disposable route now. Sadly though, even if you buy something really expensive, there are no cast iron guarantees that it will work on the next operating system.

Edited by philippercival (Wed 04-May-16 10:07:00)

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