In reply to a post by Pipexer:

Actually, any apps you use frequently you just need to right click their icon and pin them to the start menu, then you can indeed put them into groups and name them.

Sure, if you use them frequently, but what about that rare program whose name you can't remember but you just want to use it now and you know it appears somewhere under a certain heading. How many apps can there be anyway on the tiled Start menu? Do the tiles get smaller or do you have to start scrolling?

@AEP: Again, you can't always remember the name of a rarely used program and, anyway, you don't always want to start typing.

Call me old-fashioned but you can't beat a well structured hierarchical menu covering all your programs that you can hone into to find your desired one by just moving the mouse pointer over.

Yes, there will always be other ways to skin the cat, but such suggestions are more workarounds than actual solutions.

In reply to a post by gomezz:

I am only reporting what Sky viewers have reported. And they say there were ads and no-one was disputing that.

I am a Sky viewer. I have Sky HD. I am refuting it. I detest and loathe adverts. I reach for the remote to FF even when it's my girlfriend watching and I'm ignoring. Trust me. If there were adverts during the race or qually I'd have seen them and I'd have been yelling at Sky about them. I'd rather record the race/qually than suffer through adverts.

Edited by Andrue (Sat 01-Dec-12 19:12:11)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

If you are talking about practice sessions, fine. I don't know about those. That isn't what I challenged.

I would also concede that I don't know about the practice sessions. Although I am a major fan of F1 I was at work for most of the practice sessions and preferred to read up on them via the web. I'd also re-iterate that I don't know how many adverts there were during the non-racing bits.

I soon learnt when to start watching so that the first thing I saw was the FIA intro. boring chat in studios and rehashes of old races don't interest me. I started viewing when the FIA feed started and stopped after the champagne was thrown around.

I've never considered myself to have a good memory, but I can honestly say that there are no programs I use that I couldn't find with a simple search like this. But, granting your assumption that you have no idea what the program is called, I honestly don't think it is appreciably more difficult to hone in on a program than in Windows 7.

And we are talking here about rarely used programs; the ones you use commonly will be far more accessible than having to click through a menu hierarchy. Each system has its advantages. Having given Windows 8 a good investigation - rather than 5 minutes playing with it in PC World - I prefer it.

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

Yes, you can get to a "normal" desktop with multiple windows visible and running but via a lengthy navigation for every program launched by starting from the tiled Start screen, pulling up some bar from the bottom to be able to click om "All Apps" and then be presented a sectionalised menu of all the programs (here called "Apps") indexed.

Windows+R still works though so you can use that route to launch applications. Also you can put icons on the desktop as you would previously. Lastly there is third party software that gives you back a start menu although that's 'cheating' I suppose.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

How long before someone comes up with a menu app .

Rofl! I think I still have the source code somewhere for one that I wrote for Windows 3.1. It was a shareware application. I think it put a ribbon across one edge of the screen and a right-click menu extension that listed applications and documents.

Maybe I can make my fortune at last. Way to go Microsoft!

Edited by Andrue (Sat 01-Dec-12 19:16:31)

You'll need to adapt the code considerably to make it run as a Windows RT app. And you'll have a hard time making a fortune when you are competing with free apps.

The answer is "you haven't a clue"!

In reply to a post by gomezz:

I certainly did not miss anything as I did not watch the Sky partial coverage.

I certainly didn't miss any of the Sky full coverage of the qualifying and races. Same as Andrue. Who for some reason you accuse of being wrong when he says that about himself. Apparently on hearsay evidence you have about the practice sessions.

As has just been said - you haven't a clue. Possibly about the structure of an F1 weekend as well. That at least could explain your ingorance.

"Ignorance" I assume you mean?

So. Do I believe the hardcore F1 fans who say there are ads or a couple of dilettantes who don't follow all the action?