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Standard User communityuk
(newbie) Mon 14-May-12 12:23:51
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FREE Community WiFi Broadband - Not a myth!!


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Hi,

I have read with interest some of the threads on here regarding Rural and Community Broadband.

At CommunityUK, we are providing COMPLETELY FREE Wireless Broadband services to communities in both rural and urban areas in the UK, along with a range of online "Community Networking" tools to help the community connect and get the best from the internet.

Currently operating in Hampshire and Kent, we are already talking to other communities around the UK with a view to providing our service.

It seems that the combination of genuinely FREE broadband offered, together with our community engagement and support ethos and approach is being seen as far more attractive to communities than a standard, highly priced, commercial alternative.

And it works! - In our pilot project in Hampshire, we are successfully covering c6000 Homes (12,000 by October) and have achieved this at a fraction of the cost most large commercial WISPs charge. PLUS, our users can access a completely FREE Service. Having launched last June, and with minimal marketing, we now have c18% market share (i.e. more than Sky, Orange etc.) and are releasing c£30,000 per month cash back into the local community by way of Broadband fees no longer being paid to the majors. A big impact on the local community!!

In addition, the fact that we are already connected with the Government's BDUK initiative and the DEFRA Rural Broadband team, we are able to provide a great deal of support and guidance when it comes to applying for government funding for such projects.

If anyone would like to know more about CommunityUK and what we are able to offer, please feel free to contact me directly.

The CommunityUK Concept Brochure is available to download from:- http://tinyurl.com/6srn3h4

Also, a recording of the BBC Click feature on our Pilot Project in Leigh Park, Hampshire can be viewed here:- www.youtube.com/thecommunityuk.

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
Standard User 5km
(knowledge is power) Mon 14-May-12 19:04:52
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Hi

Is this just another Wi-Fi hotspot/mesh thing that has been tried and failed many many times before or is there something you are doing differently?

Just standard Wi-Fi? How on earth do you cope with all the interference from other Wi-Fi networks also operating on 2.4Ghz?

"With our own high performance fixed line ADSL/Broadband connections at the centre of our networks..."

So you just take an ADSL connection and share out that 8~20Mbps with everyone on your network?

LoL! Good luck.

O2 Broadband Premium LLU
Now on twitter @timmay2

Edited by 5km (Mon 14-May-12 19:06:51)

Anonymous
(Unregistered)Mon 14-May-12 19:39:51
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Looks like some rubbish Tory bread and circuses thing, god help us if this service counts as making places not a notspot.

Hopefully my taxes aren't funding this black hole.


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Standard User communityuk
(newbie) Mon 14-May-12 20:01:19
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What you are clearly ignoring is the simple fact hat this service is up, running across thousands of homes and providing a great service to over a thousand users and is growing at the rate of approaching 200 new users every month! Almost purely by word of mouth. It is also now expanding into other communities that have seen the proof of it's success and want it themselves.

We are used to these types of statements. All I can say is:-

It works - no arguments, no spin it just does and very well - Simple fact.

It gives a great deal back to the communities it operates in - Simple fact.

It provides huge value for money for both the users and any funders - Again simple fact.

It has nothing to do with politics - It's just about giving people the tools and support they need to live in ths day and age.

Yes we are doing things differently and to the benefit of those who work with us. What is that? - now that would be telling wouldn't it smile

Whilst I fully understand questioning, Ill informed and unhelpful cynicism is a tad poor really.

I also fully expect competing services and organisations of all sizes to question and try to ridicule - Why wouldn't they when they are charging the public for what we give away? I suspect there may be some of that here smile

The fact is you should be applauding and supporting projects like this not pointlessly knocking them.

As I said in my original post, if anyone across the UK genuinely wants to know more but us and what we do, I will be only too happy to engage.

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
Standard User 5km
(knowledge is power) Mon 14-May-12 22:17:07
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Hi

Well if it is working then well done and good luck for the future.

I'm not Ill-informed, in fact I worked on a similar projects some 5-6 years ago that tried to do the same and failed. That was mainly because of the lack of low cost reliable kit at the time, that's changed now, I know. However many of the problems remain, mainly to do with range of wi-fi, interference and lack of channels, there's only 3 non-overlapping ones (at 2.4Ghz)!

Can you please answer the questions in my previous post that you have ignored with your reply.

Thanks,

O2 Broadband Premium LLU
Now on twitter @timmay2
Standard User communityuk
(newbie) Tue 15-May-12 07:48:06
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Hi,

Ok - As to the 2.4GHz issue, yes we are using different equipment and we are doing some different and innovative things that are overcoming the issues you describe. Just what they are I am afraid I will not say here as they provide us with clear competitive advantage. I am sure you understand.

As to our bandwidth, we are able to utilise and manage bandwidth from any available source be it ADSL, Fibre, Satellite etc. and we are able to get bandwidth into any location, regardless of how remote.

Hope that answers your questions.

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
Standard User kijoma
(committed) Tue 15-May-12 09:55:21
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hmm

I am with the others on this, it all sounds real great and something that's been tried many times before.

What is your business model?, how is it going to be paid for? . It seems your model is to attract local businesses to pay to advertise on your system, that works..*cough*

Meraki type meshes are all good and fine but somebody has to pay for capacity somewhere

Who is responsible for the users content if they commit a "net crime" of they have no contract?, is it you or the ADSL line owner you are "borrowing" from?


here is from your website (The about page "Concept brochure" PDF) :-

With our own high performance fixed line ADSL/Broadband Connections at the centre of our networks, we utilise the latest in WiFi technology to deliver our broadband services to and all around the community


So this is generic WiFi fed from ADSL lines, not exactly original and of course is nothing unique or special. Many questions still stand, how are you going to deal with congestion and interference? What if people using paid for Broadband services complain and they or their ISPs take action against you for sterilising the spectrum around them and rendering their own indoor wifi performance useless?

Are you going to comply with the WiFi power output regulations or just spam everybody with the strongest signal via a mesh of mass polluters?

You may have good intentions but as already stated , free access wifi systems are so turn of the century and even though wifi take up was much less back then, it still did not work as a business model.

SO, you are NOT using different equipment, you are using WiFi as already mooted. You have no magical secret "clear competitive advantage", it is all marketing speak.

we are able to get bandwidth into any location, regardless of how remote.


So, how are you going to do this?, put a satellite system in and give out the "limited" capacity for FREE ?

We may appear a bunch of cynics on this Forum but the Many of the regulars here are seasoned Wireless professionals who have seen this all before and know the damage it has undeservedly caused to the reputation of "wireless" as a technology.

Company metrics / info > http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06967993


In reply to a post by communityuk:
Hi,

Ok - As to the 2.4GHz issue, yes we are using different equipment and we are doing some different and innovative things that are overcoming the issues you describe. Just what they are I am afraid I will not say here as they provide us with clear competitive advantage. I am sure you understand.

As to our bandwidth, we are able to utilise and manage bandwidth from any available source be it ADSL, Fibre, Satellite etc. and we are able to get bandwidth into any location, regardless of how remote.

Hope that answers your questions.


Bill Lewis - MD
Kijoma Broadband - (Division of Kijoma Solutions Ltd)
Fixed wireless ISP - ISPA/CISAS/RIPE members
http://www.kijoma.net
My Broadband Speed Test
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Tue 15-May-12 10:17:26
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Interesting, What happened to :-


5MILES COMMUNICATIONS LIMITED (taking a serious economic dive > http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06432001 )

DIGITAL BRITAIN CORPORATION LIMITED (dissolved)

WHITEWAVE SOLUTIONS LTD (dissolved)

They all seemed to have wonderous goals and the team there were involved with them all?
Standard User communityuk
(newbie) Tue 15-May-12 14:16:57
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Hi Bill,

Thank you for your response.

To be honest with you, I am not surprised by your questioning and comments. As essentially one of our competitors, who is charging for a service that time we are offering for FREE, AND on your doorstep, I am not at all surprised that you would want to spread some doubt on this or knock the concept and our company. I get that and I am sure others will too.

Regardless of any experience you or others may have (I myself have over 30yrs IT/Networking experience and have successfully built Wireless Networks of all sizes and types for a big chunk of that in the UK and Europe, in some very difficult terrain and circumstances) or doubts etc. about our ability to deliver, the fact is that we can and already do. AGAIN it is that simple.

We are simply doing what we do very well. Inovatively and completely within all necessary legal boundaries. Also, regardless of the fact that we are a relatively new company and have just filed our first year's accounts (thanks for the rather cynically and actually nefariously placed link to the company check! lollol), we are in a very strong position with a proven concept that is already being taken up by others and that is supported right up to cabinet level in central government. The future is looking very bright for CommunityUK and our users smile

As to our business model, I am extremely sure you would like to know what it is! - Pardon me if I don't fill you in though won't you smile However, ANY genuine community or organisation that wishes to work with us, subject to the normal, sensible business safeguards, will be provided with all the information they require to understand how we do and achieve what we do.

As to the source of our bandwidth, as you surely know yourself being so experienced, we utilise the best of what is available to us in the situation and location we are operating in to get the job done and the service we promise provided. I am sure you do too?

With regard to "marketing speak" and our supposedly "turn of the century" approach, I AGAIN point you to the simple fact that we are actually achieving and doing what we say we are. What more proof does anyone need?? Just because you are clearly unable to understand it or believe it and cannot do it yourselves does not mean it cannot be done because it is!! I am not trying to be rude but I find the constant denial of stated and provable fact very frustrating!

SO.... Any genuine enquirers who are looking at broadband solutions for their communities, rural or otherwise, please feel very free to give me a call to discuss what we can do for you. We are VERY different and we can prove it!

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
Standard User communityuk
(newbie) Tue 15-May-12 14:37:30
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Oh how the cynical attack born of clear fear of our competition continues.

To answer your questions:-

5miles Communications - We are nothing to do with 5miles Communications. The link with that company that still operates in Bognor (as far as we are aware) was severed completely over a year ago before the full launch of CommunityUK. The person who runs it was and is the original main owner and proprietor of 5miles and also has no involvement at all with our company. Which is precisely how we want it.

Digital Britain Corporation - This was created purely as a trading name/brand to keep us in tune with the Government's Digital Britain initiative. We subsequently decided that this was no longer necessary or beneficial to us so the company was dissolved. It had never traded by the way. Just bought for the name and the "Goals" are being achieved by CommunityUK in spades now smile

Whitewave Solutions - I was personally involved in the company that was used as a Consultancy vehicle. With the success and development of CommunityUK, I decided I no longer had time nor need for it and the company was dissolved.

I hope that answers these questions.

Shame on you for being so vindictive and petty and being so behind the cowardly "Anonymous" tag. Although certain aspects of the post suggest it is from someone who has already posted. Thanks for ANOTHER company check smile

I really do suggest that more time is spent either on your own business or, indeed, in engaging in constructive and even beneficially collaborative discussion.

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Tue 15-May-12 15:35:58
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hello, anonymous and not posted before but only because I can't be bothered to register but saw this and thought it was interesting.

I think the forum members are right to be wary of a man coming into to town apparently selling snake oil / elixir of life. This is a forum afterall and not a press release / news platform.

I've read the about us PDF on your website and it sounds a bit like a local advertising portal (much like the rags that get put through my door on a monthly basis) with a forum for chat for the locals.

There's a slight lack of transparency not helped by the god awful layout and design of the website but if all you're doing is providing free 2 meg wireless broadband in return for a local portal, and providing some funding for local projects then I don't see what the problem is here.

I'd like to know how you decide what projects get funding though?
Standard User communityuk
(newbie) Tue 15-May-12 17:50:57
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Mr Anonymous,

To be honest I find the "Snake Oil" comment unnecessary and rather offensive but hey - Forums are often, unfortunately, full of this type of childish, offensive dribble, which I believe has to be seen for the rubbish it is and treated like water off a duck's back and is now. At least I am out in the open smile

As to your final somewhat reasonable question is preceded by a variety of unpleasantly put subjective opinions, I do not see a good reason to answer you so won't.

AGAIN - The project is working, lots of people are very happy and the communities are genuinely benefitting.

AGAIN - If anyone GENUINE really wants to know more about what we do, asks constructive, politely/respectfully put questions etc. I will be only happy to engage with them.

As to any further openly derogatory and indeed boringly offensive posts - They will be ignored.

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Tue 15-May-12 18:10:49
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As stated before ny other people:

How are you going to pay for bandwidth. especially if a mad torrent freak sits there with a seed box 24/7?

How are you going to police your network with regards of criminal activity, be it copyright infigement all the way up to scams and child pornography?

The adage if something seemd to good to be true it probably is is definately looks like here.
Standard User JNeuhoff
(experienced) Tue 15-May-12 19:39:38
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So are you able to provide 50 or 100mbps broadband services, ideally as symmetric connections, for a small town in Essex? Our town has no FTTP nor FTTC (VDSL) services, BT doesn't even answer enquiries about leased lines, and the landlines here are of poor quality, old copper wires hanging over the streets. The local council is of no use here when it comes to broadband plans.

However, there should be a good market demand here for better telecom services, including 2 business parks which currently have no decent business grade broadband services.

So if you are interested, send me a PM, I am always willing to take a closer look at any provider as long as it can actually offer some better telecom services than BT does at the moment.
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Tue 15-May-12 19:49:17
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In reply to a post by communityuk:
Mr Anonymous,

To be honest I find the "Snake Oil" comment unnecessary and rather offensive but hey - Forums are often, unfortunately, full of this type of childish, offensive dribble, which I believe has to be seen for the rubbish it is and treated like water off a duck's back and is now. At least I am out in the open smile

As to your final somewhat reasonable question is preceded by a variety of unpleasantly put subjective opinions, I do not see a good reason to answer you so won't.

AGAIN - The project is working, lots of people are very happy and the communities are genuinely benefitting.

AGAIN - If anyone GENUINE really wants to know more about what we do, asks constructive, politely/respectfully put questions etc. I will be only happy to engage with them.

As to any further openly derogatory and indeed boringly offensive posts - They will be ignored.
I'm amazed by your posting style. You've been asked many questions which you have failed to answer, you just keep pushing the line that "it's working".

I'm afraid you don't fill me with any confidence -at all- that you are supplying anything worth talking about.

I don't think you will be around in a year's time.


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Standard User partial
(learned) Tue 15-May-12 20:56:07
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Best of luck. Kijoma need to raise their game in the South East and a bit of healthy competition will help.

From what I have seen of those who successfully market on forums, they start by offering helpful advice and stroking the egos of prolific forum posters.

Before you know it, prolific forum users do the marketing for you.

I would advise against newbie forum marketing followed by hostile and defensive back up.
Standard User communityuk
(newbie) Tue 15-May-12 21:22:42
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HI,

Ok in answer to your questions.

1) We pay for our bandwidth through revenue generated - As with any other ISP/WISP - As to our business model, I am happy to disclose all that is necessary to communities that are genuinely interested in our services. This would be done, as previously mentioned, using the normal sensible business precautions to protect our IP etc. This is NOT avoiding the question but simply not being prepared to show you our "undies" in an open forum.

2) We use our own, custom built system that manages Bandwidth on a per user basis and is able to take very good care of any "mad torrent freak" very effectively to ensure that no other user's experience is damaged in any way by the selfish users that are always out there. Again the actual system/technology is not for open forum discussion for what I would expect to be very obvious reasons.

3) With regard to criminal activity, copyright infringement etc., we are as protected as ANY other ISP/WISP out there and more than most. Again our own systems keep ample records for use at any time by the appropriate authorities and we make it our business to cooperate fully and rapidly if we need to.

Our system also, arbitrarily, blocks access to Pornography and much other unpleasant and unnecessary content on ALL of our networks - The first UK ISP to do this I believe and we are proud of it. WE believe the protection of our children is far more important than any adult's right to access content such as this.

Our Broadband links are also protected by the Internet Watch Foundation's Blocking list, we support CEOP and display the CEOP Panic button across our site, offer a comprehensive "Safe Surfing" guide and have, for example, been given a full and clean bill of health by Hampshire County Council and their Child Services team as being suitable for use by children in their schools and in their county.

Hopefully this answers all of your questions and reduces your level of perhaps understandable cynicism in this day and age.

I think your final comment is actually unfair but I guess, as I said, understandable.

Believe me, people and organisations ARE capable of doing good things and doing them well. Hopefully you can believe that one day too smile

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
Standard User communityuk
(newbie) Tue 15-May-12 21:27:13
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Thanks for the advice but I guess I have never been the most "politically correct" of individuals.

I believe I am just being honest and saying it how it is.

It seems that some "egos" are more than a little bit fragile when tested but I cannot move away from "honesty being the best policy" and I think you will have to admit that I have not been rude to anyone just straightforward and perhaps a little "back at you".

I hope the other straightforward and honest forum users can actually see this and appreciate it. At least a little smile

Again, thanks for the advice and well wishes though - Greatly appreciated smile

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
Standard User communityuk
(newbie) Tue 15-May-12 21:31:19
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Thank you for your kind comments and well wishes smile

I think if you actually read my posts properly, you will see that I have answered all questions that have been politely put as best as I possibly can on this forum.

Also, why should I be afraid to repeat as much as necessary that our service and offering genuinely works - especially in the face of such cynicism and derision?

I will always defend my myself, my company and push what I believe is right Batboy - Without any fear of whom that might upset.

See you in a year or two, or three etc. smile

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Tue 15-May-12 21:39:49
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Yes mate. At least a good step forward from computer operator.


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(Unregistered)Tue 15-May-12 21:40:13
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Bigger [censored] than any other company i've ever seen on these forums...

I really just see this as a sponge for public money that could go towards funding a legitimate future proofed provider such as BT/Kijoma/Virgin/VFast.

Any money that goes to you is money taken from these established people and your stop gap service HOPEFULLY won't satisfy the councils enough that they stop looking for people to plug notspots and slowspots.

Your service looks so incredibly like "Right we can offer you a service, guarenteed!" and then use some shoddy satellite link as your backhaul, this is absolutely rubbish...

You're providing absolutely NO transparency and frankly any community looking for a long term robust solution should absolutely NOT contact you. There are many many successful and reliable companies on these forums who would be able to install futureproofed broadband services to the home which will not get analled by other users, won't be succeptable to the problems of open WiFi and don't have horrible traffic shaping/net blocking software.

Not to mention all other ISPs are far more transparent about their network structure. Your service is a [censored] long shot and honestly anyone with half a brain wouldn't want to waste time and potentially money in contacting you.

Please disclose more or you will have wasted your time here and also made yourself and your company to be a bunch of fly by nighters.
Standard User communityuk
(newbie) Tue 15-May-12 21:56:31
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Just what is it that you want and what is it you don't believe? What level of "transparency" are you actually after? Shall we just tell everyone here every last detail of how we do what we do? That makes no commercial sense whatsoever other than to those who need that information to try and protect their own often overpriced services?

We are an honest, straightforward company run by honest, straightforward people who believe in providing an honest and straightforward service to their customers that also benefits their community as a whole?

Simply put, if it is already working very well where it is, why can you not believe our service cannot be replicated anywhere else? That just doesn't make any sense?

As to "taking money" money from the big boys, why the heck not?!? Why on earth should there be a monopoly in the industry?? There is nothing wrong with honest and fair competition and the public deserves there to be.

As to future proofing, why on earth do you assume that our service is not capable of upscaling and developing when and where it needs to?

All in all, as I have said before, I expect that many of the providers you mention will attempt to ridicule what we are doing for no other reason than to protect their own revenue and profits. It seems to me that this is going on here too.

Your advice to others is unquestionably biased for sue strange (or perhaps obvious) reason and not at all helpful. Let people approach us, let them get the information they need and let them make there own, objective decisions when they have it it.

Keep on please and so will we smile

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Tue 15-May-12 23:18:36
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As someone who has been involved in the Leigh Park community for many years I can speak with authority. I am not Peter Reed-Forrester, but I do know him.
I have worked with many local organisations, including the voluntary sector, education and the local authorities, in an effort to help regenerate the area which has suffered for many years from unemployment etc. I can honestly say that the free broadband is and has made a huge difference to many who canoot otherwise afford to get online.

Many children in the area come from families who cannot otherwise afford to get online, they are now able to do their homework properly, people who are out of work and struggling can now look for work online. I couldn't give a toss about what model works or what kit is used or how fast it is or whether the signal originates from sputnik - the reality is that there are many hundreds of people who are now accessing the web who otherwise could not. I have no idea who all those people are who are knocking what community uk are doing but I can tell you that the service is here, it is free, reliable and has been so for over a year. Long may it continue, and the sooner it is across the country the better for many many thousands of people who cannot otherwise access the web.
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Tue 15-May-12 23:25:14
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
As someone who has been involved in the Leigh Park community for many years I can speak with authority.
Prove it.


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Standard User kijoma
(committed) Wed 16-May-12 00:44:44
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hey, if somebody follows the director links on the company check page i linked, that is their choice.

I find it interesting that you consider a wifi system is somehow going to cause us concern as "they are on our doorstep" . My only concern is the potential damage of what i see as Marshmallow marketing with a potentially flawed underlying solution.

http://bigastroandbeyond.blogspot.co.uk/2006/12/here...

You may of been doing what you do for years, it doesn't necessarily mean you have always been getting it right tho?

Lets hope your current venture matches up to the marketing hype as it would be unfortunate if another hypermarketed bubble bursts with the word "wireless" attached to it.

In retrospect this was probably not the best section of the forum to post your advert in tbh.

Best of luck with the venture.

Bill Lewis - MD
Kijoma Broadband - (Division of Kijoma Solutions Ltd)
Fixed wireless ISP - ISPA/CISAS/RIPE members
http://www.kijoma.net
My Broadband Speed Test
Standard User communityuk
(newbie) Wed 16-May-12 09:13:03
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Bill,

For someone who has nor fear of competition to be surfing around at quarter to one in the morning , trying to dig up dirt and posting what can only be described as a shoddy and cynical attempt at a personal attack to try and discredit my company and I is quite interesting not to mention sad.

In "retrospect", I think my original posting has done a great deal of good if all it has achieved is to expose you as a perpetrator of this kind of thing to the readers of this forum and indeed our industry.

Half of me wanted to simply ignore you but the other half dictates I defend myself for the sake of my company, my colleagues and our many, many customers.

So let me put you right about events in Spain.

The post you found and linked to, as people will see relates to events in 2006. The comments are, unfortunately, extremely ill informed.

Wi-Surf, which was indeed started by myself and was built into one of Spain's earliest, successful WISP's, providing services to users across urbanisations from Murcia to Valencia.

At that time, thousands upon thousands of ex-pats and Spaniards lived in Urbanisations that we're literally years away from getting basic copper telephone lines, let alone any Broadband. We provided a robust and successful solution for them by bringing in Satellite Internet and distributing the service to individual users via WIFI networks.

We used the right and best technology for the situation and had hundreds upon hundreds of very satisfied customers who otherwise would have been completely disconnected from the outside world, families overseas etc.

In fact, one of our customers was so happy, he has bought into CommunityUK and works with s now!

Unfortunately, in early 2006, the company's Satellite Internet Service Provider Aramiska suddenly and without warning collaped and their service was cut off. As I am sure readers will understand, this had nothing to do with little old Wi-Surf not paying it's bills, which NEVER was the case. Their collapse was a huge blow to us and many others.

Perhaps if readers would like to look at this Think Broadband link, they can read about Aramiska's collapse and the truth of my statement. Also a Google search on "aramiska satellite" will produce links to other articles on the subject.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/2524-surprise-shu...

After many frantic weeks of searching for a new service which could replace Aramiska and the hundreds of dead satellite dishes we had out there, we were about to sign a deal with a Spanish supplier when a company called Ouranos announced their takeover of Aramiska's assets and service and switched us back on.

Hurrah we thought! Although this awful time had cost our customers a lost connection and Wi-Surf thousands in lost revenue, at least we were back up and running, our customers on-line again and money saved not having to replace all those satellite dishes.

Then around July/August 2006 for personal reasons surrounding the serious illness of my wife (she later died), I agreed to sell out my shareholding to the investor mentioned in the article and leave Wi-Surf to concentrate more on my family.

This was publicly announced in the English Newspapers there and can be absolutely verified by many individuals if required regardless of any unfounded and indeed strange statements to the contrary.

Unfortunately for the investor and Wi-Surf's customers, Ouranos were short lived and the company suddenly ceased to provide services (and even speak to its customers!) in September 2006.

Again this event was NOTHING to do with Wi-Surf not paying bills!!

For reference the following links will confirm that this happened:-

http://satelit.web.id/2006/09/19/a-bridge-too-far-fo...

http://www.satsig.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=ivs...

As I have stated, by the time this had happened I had already left Wi-Surf and had no control whatsoever over these events or how Wi-Surf dealt with them. They had already shut our original offices down, moved them to a location far away and had let most of the original staff go. Again this can be independently corroborated if required.

In fact, I ended up loosing a lot of money though the non-payment of agreed funds by the other shareholder, which ended up causing huge distress to my already very distressed family.

So, in summary, I had actually created a fully operational and very successful WISP (technically and commercially) in a very difficult (technically and commercially) environment in Spain. A real accomplishment in my own or anybody reasonable's book.

The fact that two extremely unfortunate and wholly unexpected events damaged the company cannot be attributed to me, my expertise or my integrity in any way whatsoever - especially as I was no longer with the company at the time the second event happened.

Hopefully, this allays any fears your again nefarious attempt at discrediting my company and I has caused others.

As to your other comments, I cannot be bothered and the proof of the pudding is already in the eating, a fact you so conveniently continue to ignore.

My apologies to other readers for having to witness this but I hope you now get a good feel for who are the "good guys" here as a result.

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
Standard User Ranvi11es
(newbie) Wed 16-May-12 09:39:02
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Its a shame that what seems to be ignored is the concept behind this facility. If people get behind it, collaborate, work together for a common goal then these types of projects have more chance of success. Of course there will be technical issues with a service like this but we must remember the end user.In the case of Community UK it is families and adults that would not usually be able to afford to have access to the internet. We need to start working through these issues, work as a team and increase the amount of access to the internet so that deprived communities have access to services and facilities that will improve their lives and ultimately improve skills and confidence of people living in the UK. I wish CUK and its partners lots of luck for the future and really hope that other potential partners get behind the scheme.
Standard User David_Cowell
(newbie) Wed 16-May-12 09:41:58
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It is very easy and understandable to be cynical and distrusting in our contemporary socio-economic world but if the riots of 2011 are not to pale into insignificance, our often too greedy corporations need to evolve and introduce a significant element of social entrepreneurship into their business practise.

The Sandgate Community Trust was able to secure a grant from its county council to bring reliable broadband to our community on the south east coast. The Trust’s Steering Group was responsible for appointing a provider and of the six companies that responded to the tender, CommunityUK was the only one that had a community aspect to its offering. A subsequent visit to Havant and Leigh Park showed that their marketing material was not just ‘blurb’ but delivered at the point of use.

The Sandgate system goes live over the next few weeks and I will happily share our experiences with you. I am confident it will deliver its promise but I also know that CommunityUK’s detailed obsession with education, employment and social inclusion generally will mean an area deprived of effective broadband, with an aging population will receive a measurable benefit.

I can understand and share your concerns as wireless enthusiasts etc but those amongst your ranks who have more partisan interests should declare those interests so we can judge their criticisms in that context.
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Wed 16-May-12 16:25:07
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Hi

I'm a volunteer with CommunityUk and I think after all the personal attacks its time you heard from someone that has been helped by the company.

I'm a complete techno idiot and can just about turn my computer on but the use of the CUK free internet has completely changed my life.
I suffer from something called social phobia and also depression and anxiety. this basically means that I dont get out well on my own and being a single parent means that I spent most of my days and evenings sat in doors not being able to talk to anyone because I couldnt afford to top up my dongle.
When i met Peter, I was also cynical about what his company could do and how it would all work but to be honest, at the time I didnt care as long as I could get online and chat to people.
Since first meeting Peter, I have become more involved with the company to the extent that I am now doing a community engagement role. This means going out and talking to as many people as possible and getting the whole of the community involved in the portal. Even 6 months ago this would not have been possible for me to do. With his help and confidence in me, I have grown so much and love my voluntary role.
I actually go to meetings by myself and speak up about the company and what it can do for an area like mine.
People want to use the portal as all the local information, such as events can be found in 1 place. Its easy to connect to, and in an area of such poverty as mine the fact that it is free is brilliant. My aim is to show people that they can achieve more than they ever thought possible. I want to show them the amount of courses that are open to them to help them get back to work, or show them what groups are available locally that could help them in anyway.
If your still cynical about the company, I would suggest that you spend a day with me and see the changes that the network has had to my life and also my area as a whole.

Louise Austin
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Wed 16-May-12 16:39:16
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I am not sure that I understand what Batboy's last comment means, but it does not seem to move the debate along. I have had a look at all the posts and would say that people are coming at it from the wrong angle - probably because this is a technical forum. As I understand it, what CommunityUK is doing at Leigh Park is about community engagement and development. Technology is (only) the enabler to this. I am not qualified to comment definitively as all I know is from what I have heard from Peter Reed-Forrester (not an independent view) and from the original BBC click programme (pretty much an independent view?). However, I have not seen anything to suggest that what CommunityUK is doing is somehow a con or that you they are not investing a great deal of effort in putting something back into society. The technical bit is a 'black box' to me but as far as I can see if the CommunityUK approach works technically and as a cohesive force in society then it needs to be supported rather than attacked by cynics.

Keith A
Newcastle
Standard User David_Cowell
(newbie) Wed 16-May-12 17:18:21
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Thank you Louise and well done; your story is inspirational.

Best wishes

David
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Wed 16-May-12 17:39:25
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One thing I am interested in you state that you "are connected to the BDUK initiative!.

In what way are you "connected"?

As far I was aware BDUK gave money to councils who tendered out services, and part of the tendering scheme had a minimum turnover requirement of £20million to make sure companies were financially robust enough to actually deliver the contract.

So have you made any tenders for BDUK money from any council?

Don't say that it is a company secret as who tenders for a project is publically known I am just wondering why you would mention BDUK.
Standard User communityuk
(newbie) Wed 16-May-12 18:25:44
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Hi,

We have had meetings with the Technical Head of BDUK and our ideas were well received and contributed to some changes/additions in the advisory document they send out to the regions.

We remain in contact and whilst we are NOT recommended in any way by BDUK, we do have friendly access for advice and guidance should we need it which proves very helpful when looking at bids etc.

I was also invited last year to join the Government's "Channel Shift" initiative as one of their "Digital Leader's", which is looking at the "Digital by Default" agenda and how this can be achieved across the UK.

We are also in solid contact with DEFRA re Rural broadband with the same type of relationship in place, together with the Office for Civil Society and other government based organisations that are providing much guidance and, in some areas, practical support for the development of CommunityUK and our initiative.

You are quite right when you say, with regard to BDUK, that the main, top tier suppliers will be responsible for the "backbone" of supply to rural areas but often NOT for the "last mile" to the communities themselves. This is another issue and one that will be dealt with at regional/local level and looks at far more than a simple, commercial solution.

Again, we are involved in this type of activity/discussion in many locations across the UK at the moment.

All round, this is all early days stuff but I can confidently stay we are nicely ahead of the curve at the moment with the CommunityUK approach engendering a lot of genuine interest. In fact our project/initiative has received cabinet level support pretty much from day one. Simply put, we tick many boxes that should be ticked when working with communities. It is MUCH more than a simple commercial WiFi broadband service as others have commented on.

Contrary to what you may believe or read on here - we are an increasingly well thought of and supported organisation and that support is positioned where it counts I am pleased to say.

I hope that answers your questions.

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
Standard User communityuk
(newbie) Wed 16-May-12 18:29:12
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Thank you very much for your support Louise.

You have become a great asset to CUK and a fantastic example for your community. You really are what we are all about.

I am very proud of you and to have helped you.

Well done smile

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
Standard User partial
(learned) Wed 16-May-12 21:07:47
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If i were in your shoes I would not be hoping for any bduk money.

The big boys will have this sown up. They will match bduk money pound for pound which you won't be able to and will have brands that people want to buy from such as BT, Sky, TalkTalk .

They will also be perfectly able to stick a few ariels up by themselves.

eSussex Broadband Plan confirms my thinking..


There are a number of small-scale wireless broadband providers in a few communities in some parts of East Sussex, and others are considering or planning deployments in the county. While these small-scale deployments are offering services in some small communities which would otherwise have poor or no broadband access, pending a better alternative, generally small-scale, independent, vertically-integrated providers probably do not provide the basis for a sustainable, long-term approach to better broadband provision in East Sussex, though some may continue to find a niche to operate in for a few more years and/or become part of a larger scale wholesale solution by partnering with one another and/or larger providers.


In short, the council ain't going to put bduk money into small wireless providers unless they are extremely switched on and have big boy partners interested. The big boys are not interested to any great noticable degree.

You are in a short term niche market. I'd be going after other players customers who are already in that market.

Edited by partial (Wed 16-May-12 21:24:54)

Anonymous
(Unregistered)Wed 16-May-12 21:46:39
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"born of clear fear of our competition"

Or born of ten years of disappointment with cowboys who arrive in a blaze of publicity and disappear in a year or two without ever offering a realistic service?

History is not on your side yet (and nor is technology if you're really using 2.4GHz). There's a lot of baggage to be overcome.

I was going to wish you good luck but then I looked at your LinkedIn profile. The detail of what you did before CommunityUK isn't listed, whereas most people with real history to tell are happy to tell it on LinkedIn. I also noticed how many of the logos on your profile were associated with recruitment agencies, and the less said about them the better.

Instead, I'll say good luck to your users.
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Wed 16-May-12 22:15:19
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Ooo what's this?

I recently developed CommunityUK portal at a hourly fee, however after several months, the requests started becoming ridiculous and in several instances I was even asked to write the brief, FOR FREE!

Due to constant feature creeps I soon realised CommunityUK was a site I didn't want to be aligned with yet along working on.

Couple this with the inability to pay me on time every time I raised an invoice, I wanted to ensure I had as little to do with these guys as possible.

However as I am a business owner and believe in being fair I ensured any work I had started, I finished, this included several snag lists from the client.

When I had finished the site I raised the invoice this was 44 hours for ?375 you wont believe the audacity of CommunityUK, they responded with a email stating they would only pay me ?225 as I had decided to leave them, this was not my problem and only confirmed the deviant nature of Community UK Peter Reeed Forrester and Steve Gaskin. This is not how you should conduct yourself as businessmen!

After much debating I decided I would just be happy to cut ties, so agreed to accept the payment, which is now extremely overdue.

What would be the best way for me to commence legal action against this company? I have sent a recorded letter to Peter Reed Forrester asking for payment.



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Standard User smurf46
(member) Wed 16-May-12 22:58:04
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I've said it before and will say it again: this mutual "yah, boo, sucks" to each other among wireless providers does no credit to the business. Nor for that matter do I like BT-baiting.

Some people will find the community-engagement provision attractive (but it is not a monopoly) so I have no trouble supporting it in principle, but I doubt it is a universal panacea; and equally a commercial wireless provider may better meet a local need in another case, and I support them too. The challenge for both, it seems to me, is small communities which do not have the scale to attract commercial investment (and I'm thinking those of below 100-250 dwellings), and I see nothing of substance in this discussion that offers them much hope.

I'm never impressed by the "who you know" or "dissing the dirt" arguments in any line of business. Rather the pace of change, both technological and competitive, and rising customer expectations, present a big challenge for every business, and should never be glossed over. In the modern world choice is good, and we expect it.

We see things not as they are, but as we are .
- Anais Nin

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Thu 17-May-12 08:13:31
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I read this thread over the last couple of days and wasn't going to bother but the more I thought about it.....

It is amazing that a load of so called professionals can behave like a pack of starving wolves attacking ths fella and his company with [censored] and personal accusations for what appears to be no good reason other than to knock a competitor or just have some sport!!

I have looked at the blokes answers and they all seem reasonable to me. Hes even let you in on his personal life to explain himself. How open is that?? In fact I rang an old workmate of mine at Havant Council last night and she told me that their wifi setup there is working great and that the this guy and his workmates are doing good things there for the people.

So what is your gripe you lot??? What's your problem?

I looked at the guy's linked in profile and it is more than good enough by me and his recommendations showed me he is very well thought of. What is that idiot knocking it on about?

The Batboy bloke needs to belt up too, if you read the thread fully the girl complaining about the invoice was obviously totally in the wrong.

In my mind you need to stop being a bunch of complete hand jobs, congratulate the fella on what he is trying to do and get on with your own work.

Seems to me that the best form of defence in here is attack by nasty [censored] and communityuk is the only decent one out the lot of you. I know where my money would go. Grow up!!
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Thu 17-May-12 10:42:37
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
I read this thread over the last couple of days and wasn't going to bother but the more I thought about it.....

It is amazing that a load of so called professionals can behave like a pack of starving wolves attacking ths fella and his company with [censored] and personal accusations for what appears to be no good reason other than to knock a competitor or just have some sport!!

I have looked at the blokes answers and they all seem reasonable to me. Hes even let you in on his personal life to explain himself. How open is that?? In fact I rang an old workmate of mine at Havant Council last night and she told me that their wifi setup there is working great and that the this guy and his workmates are doing good things there for the people.

So what is your gripe you lot??? What's your problem?

I looked at the guy's linked in profile and it is more than good enough by me and his recommendations showed me he is very well thought of. What is that idiot knocking it on about?

The Batboy bloke needs to belt up too, if you read the thread fully the girl complaining about the invoice was obviously totally in the wrong.

In my mind you need to stop being a bunch of complete hand jobs, congratulate the fella on what he is trying to do and get on with your own work.

Seems to me that the best form of defence in here is attack by nasty [censored] and communityuk is the only decent one out the lot of you. I know where my money would go. Grow up!!


It's funny the most aggressive and abusive post on this thread is yours in defence of the company.

The probem is that a random startup company with less than a 1000 customers comes on to a technical forum to try and get some free advertising.

This is a field that is littered with failed companies in recent years and terms like "new and exciting ways" without any substinace looks like just marketing speak without any real substance.

When genuine questions are raised such as "wheres" the money and "how does it work" gets either ignored an agressive response from said company, citing commercial secrecy or a half answer with flippant remarks such as "I won't show you my undies". This is meant to be from a CEO of a company, it more sounds like its comg from David Brent of the office.

We also get some bigging up of the comapny saying they are involved with BDUK and DEFRA and when challenged it seems to mean that they have phoned them up a couple of times which is not the same.

There has been some concerns raised of which you dismiss yet the only poeple that can say who was in the wrong between a company and a supplier is the small claims court and hopefully she will pursue her case as it seems that a lot of companies are quick to invoice and slow to pay up if at all and it is a common practice to hold as much money as you can especially if you are planning to fold in the near future.

Given that 90% of new companies will fold in the first two years you would honestly invest in this company with NO track record with NO clear financial model with NO more information than a website, a linkedin profile and some forum posts. You would do better going down and sticking on the first horse in the bookies, or if you want I have some magic beans you can have.
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Thu 17-May-12 12:32:17
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If your hero really was keen on free community wireless and was as keen on the "free" and "community" aspects as he claims to be, surely he'd be looking to share his ideas across a wide audience, including potential users, other potential providers, yes? Share and enjoy, maximise the community benefits?

I actually quite like the concepts and goals described in the PR material, which talk about very laudable goals (just the kind of thing you'd have needed to get Big Society funding, if there ever had been anything worth having).

You might also have thought that the right kind of organisation to do this kind of "community" thing was a Community Interest Company (there are thousands of these across the UK, and some of them are even involved in things like broadband delivery, with varying levels of visibility and varying levels of success).

Is that what we see here?

As far as I can tell commercially we see a standard for-profit Limited Company setup (icbw).

Certainly when Peter is here in person he has given the impression that ultimately he isn't interested unless there's money in it for his organisation. We don't appear to see a man with a historic track record of community-centred activities. Not yet anyway.

Please excuse my scepticism, but...
Standard User communityuk
(newbie) Thu 17-May-12 15:24:33
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Firstly,

Thank you to the anonymous poster above for your support. Whilst I do agree with many of your sentiments, I do think they could have been put in a less aggressive manner. But again, thanks for the support.

I think I need to explain myself a little better here to try and bring this barrage of posts into a little more of a constructive thread that does indeed help and contribute better across the board.

My company, CommunityUK.net was started in 2009 as a result of a Community based project in Leigh Park in Hampshire that had been running for a year before. It actually only started trading over a year later, when the relationship with 5Miles was severed.

Apart from an initial chunk of funding from the E-Learning Foundation to get the project off the ground, we have driven the project forward ourselves without any further financial help, contributing our own time for free and an awful lot of my own money. Not one of the directors has received a salary since the project started. Such is our belief in what we are doing.

Yes we are a private Ltd company but we ARE one with a genuine social conscience and an absolute belief that a business can indeed grow, profit and generate wealth whilst STILL contributing to and supporting it's community.

I/We believe very strongly that access to technology and the internet is the absolute right of every member of any community regardless of financial capability, educational level or geographical location. I also believe that it should not be held to ransom by a few large organisations that continue to overprice everything about it and profit from a virtual monopoly.

Without consistent access to the internet and all the facilities it provides, our children will fall behind educationally even further than they are now. Average people will be denied access to the services they need to use and generally, we will continue to fall behind the rest of the world in our overall capabilities and competitiveness as we are now.

Overall, without this access, our society will degenerate further and we will continue to blindly follow the lead of the USA and other countries that deliver these facilities to their people in far better ways than we do and also encourage and applaud innovation and endeavour the way that we so clearly don't.

CommunityUK, I believe, is NOT just about a wireless broadband network. It is about our "Community Networking" concept and our strong Social ethos. We also believe that by building a business that exhibits the ability to generate honest profit and wealth for its owners and employees whilst genuinely, clearly and consistently contributing and giving back to the communities it works within is an example to many that should be attractive and inspiring.

I know that many of you will continue to doubt the sincerity of these statements. I/we are used to this and will not let it phase us or stop us doing what we do. If I said I do not care what you guys think, I would be a liar. Of course I do. I would like ALL of you to believe and support what we are trying to do. However, I know that the reality is that won't happen with anything but a few of you.

As I said, it will not stop us but I would far rather you maybe stepped back a little, tried not to judge me or CUK by totally negative but perhaps understandable standards set by others and gave us a chance and even a little support.

With regard to the progress we are making, I assure you it is genuine and real.

We have MET with Mike K at BDUK, we DO have genuine meaningful contact at DEFRA together with real support and belief at some very high levels. This is not just "name dropping" this is an attempt to show you we are genuine and this is all a result of long and hard work, lobbying and more. Not just a few phone calls.

We ARE engaged now in a strongly supported development strategy for CommunityUK that has real belief behind it and, on paper and in the minds of those behind it and beside it (organisations and individuals), the very strongest probability of success.

To succeed in anything but the mediocre, to really do great things, you MUST be prepared to take the flack you will get. The opposition and resistance from those who want to stop you has to be fought hard and you must have the stamina and belief to keep doing this. SImply put, nothing truly worthwhile is easy and I don't expect this to be. We will carry on driving towards the success both we and all the communities we work and will work with deserve.

Most importantly, we DO want to make the benefits of what we have been doing and achieving in these areas available to ALL who genuinely want to collaborate with us. We just do not have the time to waste revealing and discussing all our models and processes and approaches with this who clearly do not. Surely this is understandable?

I am not just trying to be "flippant" in any way or intentionally trying to upset or offend anyone. I am simply fighting my corner and protecting the interests of not just my company but the cause we are involved in.

Again and again I have stated here that we will be happy to disclose all that is necessary to any community or organisation that genuinely wishes to work with us. Yes we will ask for NDA's etc. where necessary but what sensible organisation would not?

We are attempting something that is somewhat radical and the many organisations that make huge sums of money from what we want to give freely away are going to oppose us in any way they can, regardless of how unpleasant, underhand or distasteful that may be. Do you guys really believe we do not expect that?

However, if we succeed in forcing this sea change in the way internet access is delivered and used, then many, many people, not to mention the UK as a whole will hugely benefit from it. As I said the effort is worth it.

As to our Wireless networks, I fully understand the feelings of those industry experts who visit here and indeed many of their doubts.

The simple fact is, I and CUK genuinely believe in the capabilities of Wireless Technology in the delivery of internet access. Both in what it can do now and what it will be able to do in the future as the technology continues to progress.

To me, it is clear that so many communities in the UK are currently digitally excluded (be that through geography or finance) when they do not need to be because a cost effective wireless solution and the distribution of overpriced bandwidth cheaply or freely is seen so negatively.

If you are a genuine exponent of Wireless solutions (which I presume most of you are) and understand the economics and ACTUAL current bandwidth needs of the average individual, then you already know I am talking sense. You know we do not need complicated technical "Rocket Science" to make it work. Get these solutions into communities that need them NOW and freely if possible.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, we are already releasing something in the region of £30000 per month back into the pockets of the residents of Leigh Park who use our system. This means that instead of lining the pockets of BT, Virgin etc. and their shareholders, these people can spend money in local shops and businesses and help regenerate their own community. By the time we have finished there, this could be in the region of £250,000 per month. Imagine the impact of that in an area where shops are closing, people are out of work and self belief and belief in their community and the UK is at a huge low??

I am sure someone clever will remark something like "more money for them to buy drugs, booze etc. with" or something like that. We know you will so do not bother. I can tell you from long personal experience that Leigh Park and communities like it are absolutely brimming with genuine, law abiding ad indeed inspirational people (i.e. Louise Austin's earlier post) that will use this money very well indeed.

Regardless of the cynicism shown here, our Wireless networks are genuinely working and have been built in such a way that upgrading and enhancing to newer, faster more powerful Wireless technologies will be straightforward when required. Why would anyone actually want to knock this. If you do not believe, give me a call and I will arrange to personally take you round Leigh Park, see and experience our service and even meet some of the people it is helping. Is that not fair enough?

As to me personally. I have had an eventful career that has been punctuated by both great success and some failures. I hope I have learned from both. Now as MD of CUK I devote my whole time to this project and the little I have left to other community activities such as being a STEM Ambassador in Schools (see STEMNET.org.uk), working with the Havant Children's University, supporting Havant Women's Aid, acting as a Business Mentor for Headteachers in Portsmouth Schools, working on the Shaping the Future of Portsmouth Project and a few other things. I can promise you I genuinely try my best to be as "community-centred" as I can be.

SO..........

I hope that this somewhat longwinded missive, if you have taken the time to read it (thank you if you have) can go some way to at least making you all think a little better of CUK and what we are trying to do and perhaps encourage some of you to cease your constant, wholly unwarranted attacks and instead maybe engage in a more productive and constructive way that will benefit us all.

Bye for now smile

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
Anonymous
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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Sat 19-May-12 11:03:27
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I would far rather you maybe stepped back a little, tried not to judge me or CUK by totally negative but perhaps understandable standards set by others and gave us a chance and even a little support.

Fair comment Peter. As I said earlier, the goals are laudable and the concept does have my support, and if the existing users are happy, that's fantastic too, long may it continue. I'm also aware of what STEM is about, and say well done in that respect too.

Anything that offers effective competition to BT/Virgin is good by me, and if it has community benefits too, even better.

The delivery mechanism - how the concept is delivered, not just how the web pages and bits are delivered - is where the detail questions arise.

Not one of the directors has received a salary since the project started.

Interesting choice of words. Salary is not the only way to pay a director a significant income, as anyone who's been near IT contracting (which is lots of folk round here) will know. Am I reading too much into it?

Anyway, moving on.

My crystal ball (which is far from reliable) says this looks like an ideal opportunity to build a local business model which can then be franchised out (for profit), wherever community startup funding is readily available following a documented process.

Nothing wrong with that, especially if done openly and honestly. Sometimes these things work well for franchisor and franchisee and user/customer community.

Obviously franchising works better if there's lots of cheap publicity for the concept but the implementation details are kept secret until paid for by the franchisees.

On the other hand, genuine community projects arguably work better/cheaper when significant amounts of money aren't extracted from the community (or from wherever the community funding comes from) for personal/corporate profit. Of course not everybody agrees with that statement, otherwise privatisation of various parts of the welfare state wouldn't be such a hot topic.

What actually matters much of the time in these things is competence and decency and fitness for purpose, and that is not confined exclusively to either private sector or public sector, whatever the Millionaires' Cabinet may want us to believe.

There's a balance to be struck.

Again, I applaud the goals, and I like the concept. All that leaves is the little bit in between concept and delivery, the bit the project plans/business plans sometimes label "miracle needed here".

Meanwhile, readers wanting to form a more complete picture might want to have a look at Peter's contribution at
http://www.linkedin.com/answers/hiring-human-resourc...

No need to follow the link unless the extract I'm about to post in the next note here, on the dubious grounds of "fair use", gets deleted (it's LinkedIn's text now, not Peter's, definitely not mine or TBB's).
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As promised.

Short extract from
http://www.linkedin.com/answers/hiring-human-resourc...

From a “franchise” viewpoint, my feeling is that you should go for a centralised, hosted solution that you can role out to all new franchisees as part of the package.

This way, you would encourage inter-franchise communication and revenue generation as well as retaining ultimate control of the centralised data etc. giving you the opportunity, for example, for performance monitoring across the group allowing you to spot trends, provide proactive assistance to franchisees and much more.

As with pretty much all of these systems, you need to plan and execute a professional project to ensure that the right system is chosen and that you customise and implement it correctly to ensure maximum functionality and ROI.

This will include covering issues/areas such as initial Business Requirements and Process Analysis to produce an overall specification for the system your business needs. Resource planning, implementation/testing, roll-out and training plan, technical and end-user documentation etc. etc.

This is an area I/we have much experience in and I would be happy to discuss how we could assist you with an independent view and guidance to ensure you both choose the right system and implement it correctly.

Let me know when would be convenient to call and on what number.

Regards,
Peter J Reed-Forrester
Whitewave Solutions Ltd
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(newbie) Sun 20-May-12 17:28:13
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HI,

Thank you for your comments and I am glad that you see the positives in what we are trying to achieve.

Re the salary comment, yes you are reading too much into it.

As I stated, none of the Directors have received a salary since the project started. We have only received payment of reimbursable expenses we have legitimately incurred during the course of normal business etc. and this doesn't include loads of big lunches, "business trips" or anything else that could come under legitimate questioning!

Actually, the only person who get's a salary is our young IT apprentice, who is a lad from Leigh Park who volunteered with us whilst at school and college and then joined us.

I hope that clears that issue up for you.

As to the future, we are actually looking right now at different models for expanding the project across the UK. Especially as real engagement with the local community is ket to its success. The opportunity to be at the forefront of creating employment and personal development opportunities etc. in the areas we go to is a core part of our ethos. We want to lead by example.

The Franchise option you describe is indeed being looked at. However, sometimes the most suitable and deserving people we should consider are not those who can spend thousands on buying a franchise but can benefit from an opportunity to become part of the team and contribute to the initiative as a whole. As I said though, yet to be finally decided.

In addition, we are starting the CommunityUK Foundation for Digital Inclusion as a separate Charitable organisation with the objective of helping communities and NFP organisations etc. to fund projects that are relevant, including the roll out of free WiFi Broadband and the Community Networking concept. It is our intention that CUK the Ltd company will donate a % of its profits each year to the foundation too.

Whilst I agree that the road we are travelling isn't going to be the easiest, I do not believe we need a miracle. we just need people across "CommunityUK" to see that it is possible. That's the real challenge and we more than ready to meet it.

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
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(newbie) Sun 20-May-12 17:41:40
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Hi

In reply to a post by Anonymous:
The probem is that a random startup company with less than a 1000 customers comes on to a technical forum to try and get some free advertising.


Just to let you know we already have over a 1000 registered users with CommunityUK and are growing at a rate of knots week in and week out through little more than word of mouth.

We also want to genuinely engage with our peers not just promote our company (although I would be a fool to ignore that bonus).

I think you other comments have been adequately answered in my other posts above.

Regards,
Peter Reed-Forrester
CommunityUK.net Ltd
Tel: 0845 077 4014
Mob: 07828 075140
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.communityuk.net
Skype: peter.reed.forrester
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sometimes the most suitable and deserving people we should consider are not those who can spend thousands on buying a franchise but can benefit from an opportunity to become part of the team and contribute to the initiative as a whole.

That simple sentence is, in its own way, one of the most amazing sentences I have heard in a good while. In a *good* way, especially when combined with the charity foundation.

There is a small but (isn't there always):

It is our intention that CUK the Ltd company will donate a % of its profits each year to the foundation too.

You probably weren't to know this, but there's a tiny ISP well known around here (though not well known in the market) that promised something like that too. Some people think it didn't work out too well.

You are venturing into territory where there are lots of people here who know lots of history, sometimes quite unhappy history (the history of WISPs in general is a bit mixed). Scepticism is to be expected. Thanks for putting up with it, and best of luck. I'm out of here, things to go, places to do, etc.
Standard User anon1
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 26-May-12 16:51:50
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I had to have a good laugh. You hide behind an Anonymous tag and demand transparency.
Standard User kijoma
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In reply to a post by anon1:
I had to have a good laugh. You hide behind an Anonymous tag and demand transparency.


i think it is fairly transparent anyway .. In that most people, here at least, can see right through marketing hype.

I see "Sandgate" in Kent are to or have already given £50k of public money to this project. the website says they will be fitting 3 ADSL lines and the wifi kit. So that's ~£300 spent.

Easy money, just add "community" to your commercial ventures name, a scattering of freely available resources and the promise of ad revenue..

Transparent? I am sure i have seen (through) this business model many times before..

link: http://www.sandgatecommunitytrust.co.uk/?p=323

Bill Lewis - MD
Kijoma Broadband - (Division of Kijoma Solutions Ltd)
Fixed wireless ISP - ISPA/CISAS/RIPE members
http://www.kijoma.net
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Standard User 5km
(knowledge is power) Sun 27-May-12 11:07:12
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That's close enough for me to go test and see what it is actually like to use. If I get that bored.

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Standard User anon1
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 27-May-12 19:27:19
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You are beginning to sound as if you have a damn great chip on your shoulder. Perhaps you should spend more time running your company instead of trawling the net to see if you can find any dirt on a competitor.
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Three ADSL (ADSL2+ I hope) to serve 3000 premises? Reallly is that what £50,000 buys?

Three low contention ADSL lines perhaps £500 per month, giving maybe 50 Meg backhaul, and 2 to 4 Meg upload. Need some pretty nifty kit or blocking to stop the freeloaders dragging performance down and latency up.

The spreading around of ariels makes it read like the older Mesh schemes, begs question of what remote management there is of the aerials, and power backup to cope with home owner switching it off for a short while.

How far from the ADSL lines are services expected to reach?

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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(staff) Mon 28-May-12 23:56:33
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Hardly free when going 1GB above the 5GB limit costs £200


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Just read the T&C's which reveal its a 5GB limit on free service, and the unlimited on the 4 and 8 Mbps services does not appear to meet the new rules for advertising an unlimited services.

Also usage above the 5GB costs 20p per MegaByte, or for those "that are deemed as being grossly in contradiction of our stated fair usage policy".

Are free users informed of crossing from free to per MB charging? i.e. given a chance to not use any more data.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Standard User Wonko
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Could I have some of those magic beans too please.
Standard User Dick_B
(regular) Tue 29-May-12 14:01:40
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In reply to a post by communityuk:
Just to let you know we already have over a 1000 registered users with CommunityUK and are growing at a rate of knots week in and week out through little more than word of mouth.


In the opening post of this thread it was stated that 'we now have c18% market share (i.e. more than Sky, Orange etc.)'. This does not seem to be the case with only 1000 registered users. Please explain.
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He did say it has all sorts of secret magic sauce and I am sure the proper WiSPs are quaking in their boots right now as are orange and sky!

Its clearly not a case of building up a big database of customers , even if they only register and use it once, then sell the company to some non savvy company or investor before the smoke and mirrors are revealed.

Nope surely not as the directors track record shows no evidence of this behaviour at all.

The £50k of public money appears to have been well spent. Only the other day I visited sandgate and was impressed how well hidden the wifi aerials fitted in march are. Even the wifi signals are completely invisible too.

Such attention to aesthetics is commendable

Bravo
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Oh my what a lot of cynics we are. We know everything but appreciate nothing.

The point of competition is that different people have different needs. Unbelievably to those of us on here, who think that life is a computer screen, there is a whole world (nay universe) beyond and most people aren't interested in thrashing their connection and their broadband requirements are modest. You can scoff at them all you like, but I bet they're happier than the miserable moaning lot on here. Patience isn't the greatest virtue for no reason; but you never have to wait to condemn do you?

We see things not as they are, but as we are .
- Anais Nin
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Bill,

For someone who has nor fear of competition to be surfing around at quarter to one in the morning , trying to dig up dirt and posting what can only be described as a shoddy and cynical attempt at a personal attack to try and discredit my company and I is quite interesting not to mention sad.

In "retrospect", I think my original posting has done a great deal of good if all it has achieved is to expose you as a perpetrator of this kind of thing to the readers of this forum and indeed our industry.

Half of me wanted to simply ignore you but the other half dictates I defend myself for the sake of my company, my colleagues and our many, many customers.


I was a Wi-Surf customer for 2 years, and my location was also a Wi-Surf relay station - so I have some knowledge of the chain of events that led to PR-F literally shutting up shop, disappearing, and not answering phone calls

So let me put you right about events in Spain.

The post you found and linked to, as people will see relates to events in 2006. The comments are, unfortunately, extremely ill informed.

Wi-Surf, which was indeed started by myself and was built into one of Spain's earliest, successful WISP's, providing services to users across urbanisations from Murcia to Valencia.

At that time, thousands upon thousands of ex-pats and Spaniards lived in Urbanisations that we're literally years away from getting basic copper telephone lines, let alone any Broadband. We provided a robust and successful solution for them by bringing in Satellite Internet and distributing the service to individual users via WIFI networks.


I an in agreement with what Peter says. In 2004 Spain was in catch-up mode. Telefonica was the predominant landline /internet service provider, did whatever it wanted, and took no notice of customer needs. Many urbanisations' and locations such as the Jalon valley would not allow overhead lines and laying in undergound cabling was cost-prohibitive. Wi-Surf stood out as the optimum system provider and for the main, was a good service.

We used the right and best technology for the situation and had hundreds upon hundreds of very satisfied customers who otherwise would have been completely disconnected from the outside world, families overseas etc.


The bit I've bolded; not true. There were loads of cafes and wifi locations where one could "communicate"; In our location Denia had numerous locations, Moraira had about 6 locations and Javea hadseveral and a postal shop where you could cable up your own laptop if you so wished. A bit of pain but to use them but to say "completely disconnected" is not true

In fact, one of our customers was so happy, he has bought into CommunityUK and works with us now!


I don't doubt what you say but I was friends with a few of your employees (we both went to the wedding blessing and reception for Carrie and Wayne in the Paramour in Javea - remember?) I was aware that when you did the moonlight flit from your offices in Benitachell several employees did not get paid!

Unfortunately, in early 2006, the company's Satellite Internet Service Provider Aramiska suddenly and without warning collaped and their service was cut off. As I am sure readers will understand, this had nothing to do with little old Wi-Surf not paying it's bills, which NEVER was the case. Their collapse was a huge blow to us and many others.


I don't buy all of this. I know that you reduced the Aramiiska sevice levels About 4:40 on a Friday afternoon then the sevice would start to "panic"; 404 errors would start and then the system degraded and went offline. Your support desk was closed and no way to contact until Monday. Miraculously at about 8:50 Monday morning it all came back. As we were a relay station then I could plug into the kit and see the status - it was disconnected - so you were cutting the 7day a week service down to 5 days as a cost cutting exercise.

See Keith's blog where he confirms that Wi-Surf weren't paying Aramiska bills and so your service was disconnected


After many frantic weeks of searching for a new service which could replace Aramiska and the hundreds of dead satellite dishes we had out there, we were about to sign a deal with a Spanish supplier when a company called Ouranos announced their takeover of Aramiska's assets and service and switched us back on.


You didn't really communicate any information to the use base. Once the "system" was down; and whether this was because Aramiska had cut you off or due to their demise I don't know, then for maybe 5 weeks we got the text messages from you " Bear with us for a few days and sevice will be restored' hang on a bit longer" and then the texts stopped. I was with you in your office one afternoon and you demo'ed the 2 wi phones to me; by the following morning you had done a runner further south.

Hurrah we thought! Although this awful time had cost our customers a lost connection and Wi-Surf thousands in lost revenue, at least we were back up and running, our customers on-line again and money saved not having to replace all those satellite dishes.


Once the system was down it never came back - on the money front you owe me 600Euros; including 80 E's for changing the propert locks as you had a set of keys to access for relay management

Then around July/August 2006 for personal reasons surrounding the serious illness of my wife (she later died), I agreed to sell out my shareholding to the investor mentioned in the article and leave Wi-Surf to concentrate more on my family.


Peter, I was aware of your loss at the time and I know how much you loved, doted, and wrote poems to her; words don't really help but I was sorry for you

This was publicly announced in the English Newspapers there and can be absolutely verified by many individuals if required regardless of any unfounded and indeed strange statements to the contrary.

Unfortunately for the investor and Wi-Surf's customers, Ouranos were short lived and the company suddenly ceased to provide services (and even speak to its customers!) in September 2006
.

Again this event was NOTHING to do with Wi-Surf not paying bills!!.

Regardless of what you say you did a runner from Benitachell, made no communication with the user base and left "hundreds and hundreds" of peope who had paid you for a service that you walked, no you ran, away from. For this reason then you are a DESPICABLE person. You looked at setting up with McClure further south, and in your doing arunner you forgot to close the Wi-Surf forum which was a valuable tool for me and others that you stole money from to communicate and share information and our experiences

As I have stated, by the time this had happened I had already left Wi-Surf and had no control whatsoever over these events or how Wi-Surf dealt with them.


You ran away from your responsibilities to your Wi-Surf customer base ; closed the office; no communication; and several staff not paid.

They had already shut our original offices down, moved them to a location far away and had let most of the original staff go. Again this can be independently corroborated if required.


Go on then; corrobate. I saw you in your offices and the following morning the office was stripped and bare. Don't tell me that the the Irish Clear Comms guy is your reference cos if you do I can post emails from him dissassociating himself from Wi-Surf.

In fact, I ended up loosing a lot of money though the non-payment of agreed funds by the other shareholder, which ended up causing huge distress to my already very distressed family.


Your familly doesn't come into the equation. It's your risk in the business world re your P&L. What you did was to run away from your obligations to your customers with no contact. Nada - one second you were there and the next you had disappeared.

So, in summary, I had actually created a fully operational and very successful WISP (technically and commercially) in a very difficult (technically and commercially) environment in Spain. A real accomplishment in my own or anybody reasonable's book.


I agree; but you had dependencies to 3rd parties and didn't appear to have any contingency, or risk management plan in the event of problems.So maybe not such a "good" accomplishment

The fact that two extremely unfortunate and wholly unexpected events damaged the company cannot be attributed to me, my expertise or my integrity in any way whatsoever - especially as I was no longer with the company at the time the second event happened.


I say again "You ran away" - so the song "When the going gets tough, the tough get going" applies. You have the monies from hundreds of people (including me) who paid you for a sevice that you a) failed to deliver and b) you failed to return monies paid.

Hopefully, this allays any fears your again nefarious attempt at discrediting my company and I has caused others.

As to your other comments, I cannot be bothered and the proof of the pudding is already in the eating, a fact you so conveniently continue to ignore.

My apologies to other readers for having to witness this but I hope you now get a good feel for who are the "good guys" here as a result.


Not at all. I'm happy to put the record straight
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(knowledge is power) Sat 28-Sep-13 15:59:24
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Well I hope this is a sucess. I tried this back in 1998 in then my home town. Despite having 600 customers and charging for it it was a failure. (some may remember IAP Broadband in Portishead) so it's nice to see a free model bringing in revenue.

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As the operator owner of Wireless Waves (Spain), I can also vouch for some of the comments.

Peter you were not the first provider in my area, I WAS!!! Sax/Salinas.. And as you well know, you were taken to task by me for re-selling Telefonica ADSL connections, who was injecting the bandwidth into one of your operations from his Video Rental shop in Sax.

At least from your demise, some of us did profit... I was able to go around and reconnect some of your customers to my services.

OO, by the way,,, using a scabby home router with a 10 metre length of RG58 cable stretching to a flat panel antenna, trying to act out as a "carrier grade" cpe doesnt really cut the mustard as "state of the art" equipment that you claimed to have deployed in your earlier post.
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