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My Exchange (Tenby) now says the following:
21CN WBC status: RFS date set : 31/01/2012
and under LLU:
TalkTalk (CPW): RFS date set : 22/11/2011
What sort of speeds could I expect from LLU and can this be done without BT's WBC being completed?
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Might be in the wrong forum as Plusnet don't use LLU any more... but to answer the section question, LLU does not depend on 21CN.
Matt
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One has to ask oneself one question - would I touch TalkTalk with a sterilised barge pole?
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What are the current router line stats?
What info do you get from the BT Performance Tester?
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Read this before considering TalkTalk: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4793-talktalk-sti...
jelv
Plusnet user since November 2001
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One has to ask oneself one question - would I touch TalkTalk a BT (spit) reseller such as PlusNet with a sterilised barge pole? Contrary to popular opinion, TalkTalk's LLU service is very good and runs at full line speed 24/7 (unlike a BT based service) if no line problems. However to the uneducated masses, TalkTalk's poor customer service = poor LLU service which is simply not true.
Edited by deleted (Fri 23-Sep-11 17:44:35)
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Not forgetting their Sales teams who will make outrageous promises, certainly in my case, I appreciate this is not exclusive to TalkTalk, however couple that with their complaints, it does not inspire trust in their product!
My views are my experiences.
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*jelv checks calendar - no it's not April 1st
jelv
Plusnet user since November 2001
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Have you actually experienced TalkTalk's LLU service or are you just making assumptions on heresay?
Hearsay is information gathered by one person from another person concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience.
If you must know, i had been with so called "niche" ISPs such as Zen, Idnet and Netplan on ADSL1 before my exchange was LLU'd by TalkTalk. Every evening, on ADSL1, with all of these ISPs, my speeds used to slow down from 7meg to less than 3 meg...this was purely down to exchange congestion. Since joining TalkTalk >12 months ago, i don't get any slowdown in the evenings, i get a constant 16 meg day and night. A friend across town even experiences slowdowns on BT's 21CN ADSL2+ every evening (he's with Newnet). So yeah, BT based ADSL1 & 21CN services are way better than TalkTalk or any other LLU based service. Oh hang on, is it 1st April already? 
Edited by deleted (Sat 24-Sep-11 06:51:40)
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I can appreciate your positive experience with Talk Talk; however I can replicate the non slowdown with my ADSL1 with BT, indeed with constant 5.9 Meg at 42 attenuation. Location Location Location!
My views are my experiences.
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One has to ask oneself one question - would I touch TalkTalk a BT (spit) reseller such as PlusNet with a sterilised barge pole?
Less expensive and as reliable as BT imo. Further more, I can't get LLU or ADSL2+, so many of us take the best option available, and occasionally whinge about the how folk on 10+ Meg don't know they are living.
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Cheers for the replies so far. My full stats are:
Noise margin (Down/Up) 15.0 dB / 12.0 dB
Line attenuation (Down/Up) 31.0 dB / 18.0 dB
Output power (Down/Up) 15.3 dBm / 1.6 dBm
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote) 0 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote) 0 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote) 0 / 0
FEC Errors (Down/Up) 241 / 7
CRC Errors (Down/Up) 167 / 9
HEC Errors (Down/Up) 488 / 3
Error Seconds (Local/Remote) 127 / 6
From Kitz's website I see I'll only get a speed increase of about 4meg but that's fine with me - I know people not far from here that STILL can't even get Broadband! Anyone seen a better increase with similar stats?
I'm also tempted to wait for BT to upgrade to WBC in Jan but that will give similar results (certainly no better) won't it?
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Yeah that's right, assuming your downstream increases to 34/35 db on ADSL2+ (the increase by a few db is common when going from ADSL1>ADSL2+), then you should sync around the 12-13mb mark...a 50% increase assuming you currently sync at the full 8 meg on ADSL1, so definitely worth switching to ADSL2+. However if you have a choice between BT 21CN and LLU then stay away from BT! If you would rather pour acid in your eyes than go direct with TalkTalk, then go with a talktalk reseller such as Vivaciti - your line remains with BT. Most would agree LLU is way better than a BT based service 
http://www.vivaciti.net/product/1/home-internet/17/s...
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My full stats are:
So what's happened to the current downstream and upstream connection speeds/sync rates?
When you checked the line stats was the router wired to the PC?
The downstream noise margin seems a bit high at 15dB the usual DLM default setting is 6dB but maybe a noise burst required it to be raised to 15dB to stabilise the connection.
Do you get any router disconnections to the exchange during the day or the evening or later on?
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Looks like it was disconnected yesterday at some point at it says it has only been up for 1 day.
Th router was wired to the PC but over my Network.
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My full stats are:
So what's happened to the current downstream and upstream connection speeds/sync rates?
When you checked the line stats was the router wired to the PC?
The downstream noise margin seems a bit high at 15dB the usual DLM default setting is 6dB but maybe a noise burst required it to be raised to 15dB to stabilise the connection.
Do you get any router disconnections to the exchange during the day or the evening or later on?
The noise margin is because he is hitting the 8128kbps ceiling, and on BT systems that what happens as a result. The margin rises to what it would be to cause an 8128kbs sync if ADSL2/2+ were in use.
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Assuming your curent sync is 8128kbps or 7616kbps, which we need to know, see my reply to Apprentice re WBC speeds. On TalkTalk you wouldn't get quite a much as I think they run on 9dB margin instead of the WBC 6db. In fact WBC frequently drops to 3dB on the new DLM, and the IP Profile is no longer an issue as it set to 88.2% (by all accounts) of sync and adjusts almost immediately.
It hurts to say it, but WBC systems are finally becoming LLU-competitive.
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I'm syncing at 7616
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Looking good for you then .
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On TalkTalk you wouldn't get quite a much as I think they run on 9dB margin instead of the WBC 6db. In fact WBC frequently drops to 3dB on the new DLM.
I can confirm that WBC will drop to 3db on stable ADSL2+ lines, mines been at or about that level for many weeks now and it gave me quite an increase in line speed as a result (from 6Mb to just over 7Mb). Not bad given I only used to get 4Mb on the same line with ADSL1. Line stats below for those interested.
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Connection Speed 7062 kbps 440 kbps Line Attenuation 51.0 db 24.6 db
Noise Margin 4.6 db 22.1 db |
Andrew
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WBC 6db. In fact WBC frequently drops to 3dB on the new DLM, and the IP Profile is no longer an issue as it set to 88.2% (by all accounts) of sync and adjusts almost immediately.
It hurts to say it, but WBC systems are finally becoming LLU-competitive.
Are you saying that the IP profile nonsense is no longer a problem on 21CN ADSL2+
reason i ask is that i am on a overhead rural line which can have problems with dropout at night
but im presently with C&W LLU which manages to cope, however i am thinking of moving to PlusNet as its much cheaper then Virgin who now don�t want to play ball with a retention deal/price drop.
Thanks
Mike
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The new system isn't going live (it is still in the trial phase) until October which is when Plusnet will sort out their mirror of it.
At present the mirror only updates twice a day.
Also until it goes live the Delta reports (of the IP profile) from BT use the old system but I have no idea how quickly the reports are sent out - in batches or immediately.
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October 10th is the launch day of new 88.2% on DLM replace the old ip profile! (only on ADSL2+ 21CN)
plusnetADSL2+13 Meg
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Hi there,
It's not just for ADSL2+ as Jojo says here, it's for all connections that use the 21CN (ADSL, ADSL2 and ADSL2+).
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October 10th is the launch day of new 88.2% on DLM replace the old ip profile! (only on ADSL2+ 21CN)
is that a simulator system that is used on (at least my C&W) LLU now.
Would make a big difference in who decide to jump ship too from Virgin.
thanks
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