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Standard User BB4Tickton
(committed) Sun 17-Nov-13 16:23:54
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Market 1


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A couple of questions to PlusNet please:

Unfortunately stuck on ADSL Max (Market 1 exchange). Current line speed is around 2.5meg, No ADSL2+ and no info at all on future Fibre.

Getting a good deal on a market 1 exchange is impossible when compare to an ADSL2+ LLU exchange.

Is it still true that if I wanted a slightly higher upload from 448Kbps to 832Kbps an extra charge of £7 +vat per month still applies? Yet ADSL2+ goes up to 1.3Mbps free of charge or even fibre at huge speeds!
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 17-Nov-13 16:33:30
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Correct the Max Premium charge still applies on those exchanges where IPStream Max and IPStream Max Premium are the two rate adaptive options.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Standard User BB4Tickton
(committed) Sun 17-Nov-13 16:37:40
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It just feels so unfair to be penalised for being connected to a slow exchange.


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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 17-Nov-13 16:43:29
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The joy of trying to encourage TalkTalk and Sky to keep rolling out in the safe knowledge they can undercut price wise.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Standard User BB4Tickton
(committed) Sun 17-Nov-13 16:46:56
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I thought BT IPstream ADSL was being fazed out?
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 17-Nov-13 16:48:12
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TalkTalk roll outs seem to give the lie to BT's "uneconomic to upgrade" view. For ages they said that about 5 exchanges in this county - all of which suddenly became viable for WBC upgrades when Talk Talk unbundled them over the last 18 months or so
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 17-Nov-13 16:59:33
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In areas where WBC is available of course.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Standard User Apprentice
(knowledge is power) Sun 17-Nov-13 18:43:19
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In reply to a post by BB4Tickton:
I thought BT IPstream ADSL was being fazed out?

It is.

Have a read of this > http://ipsite.org/1qx9

Alastair

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 17-Nov-13 18:56:46
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And they end up on IPStream Connect

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Standard User Apprentice
(knowledge is power) Sun 17-Nov-13 19:46:50
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Yes indeed, my connection is now IPStream Connect.

Alastair

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Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Sun 17-Nov-13 19:56:56
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In reply to a post by warweezil:
TalkTalk roll outs seem to give the lie to BT's "uneconomic to upgrade" view. For ages they said that about 5 exchanges in this county - all of which suddenly became viable for WBC upgrades when Talk Talk unbundled them over the last 18 months or so


Different circumstances - it becomes viable when you're faced with the alternative of losing customers. The investment appraisal without a competing operator struggles for any claim to retained income / extra income / avoidance of losses.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 18-Nov-13 12:15:04
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What difference does having TalkTalk and Sky roll out to an exchange? It does not stop it being Market 1.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 18-Nov-13 12:30:42
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In reply to a post by brightd:
What difference does having TalkTalk and Sky roll out to an exchange? It does not stop it being Market 1.
The continuance of the Market 1 designation aims to encourage LLU operators such as Sky and TalkTalk to unbundle these exchanges. BT Wholesale's prices remain high despite the exchange being unbundled, so the LLU operators know they can undercut these expensive prices until the exchange is recategorised.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 18-Nov-13 18:48:01
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In reply to a post by brightd:
What difference does having TalkTalk and Sky roll out to an exchange? It does not stop it being Market 1.
But it gives an incentive to upgrade it to WBC.

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Standard User WelshWArrior
(experienced) Tue 19-Nov-13 11:23:52
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The difference will become apparent once the next Ofcom(??) exchange review takes place (early next year I believe) - the exchange will be regraded Market 2 or 3 depending on the suppliers it now has.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 19-Nov-13 14:01:26
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In reply to a post by WelshWArrior:
The difference will become apparent once the next Ofcom(??) exchange review takes place (early next year I believe) - the exchange will be regraded Market 2 or 3 depending on the suppliers it now has.
The proposed 2014 Market designations only have two tiers relating to Openreach lines - A and B. Paragraph 1.5 of the consultation summary gives the descriptions.
Standard User Michael_Chare
(committed) Tue 19-Nov-13 21:13:40
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When a LLU operator moved into the exchange that serves me two years ago, I was immediately able to secure a reduction from Plusnet.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Wed 20-Nov-13 09:54:19
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How did you do that?
Standard User BREWERDAVE
(regular) Wed 20-Nov-13 10:12:38
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@brightd -if you are out of any minimum term, just phone Plusnet Customer Options team - I negotiated this June on the basis that Sky had unbundled my Market 1 exchange and got 50% off of unlimited b/band for 12 months -I'll do exactly the same next June ,with the added advantage that TalkTalk are in process of unbundling as well!!
Standard User adslmax
(knowledge is power) Wed 20-Nov-13 10:18:39
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Correct the Max Premium charge still applies on those exchanges where IPStream Max and IPStream Max Premium are the two rate adaptive options.


Those two IPStream are to be retired from BT in Feb 2014.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 20-Nov-13 10:59:11
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This is correct, to be replaced with DRUM ROLL...

IPStream Connect Max
and
IPStream Connect Max Premium

Wave goodbye to BT Centrals and say hello to old DSLAM linked into the WBC network

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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