In reply to a post by warweezil:

TalkTalk roll outs seem to give the lie to BT's "uneconomic to upgrade" view. For ages they said that about 5 exchanges in this county - all of which suddenly became viable for WBC upgrades when Talk Talk unbundled them over the last 18 months or so

Different circumstances - it becomes viable when you're faced with the alternative of losing customers. The investment appraisal without a competing operator struggles for any claim to retained income / extra income / avoidance of losses.

What difference does having TalkTalk and Sky roll out to an exchange? It does not stop it being Market 1.

In reply to a post by brightd:

What difference does having TalkTalk and Sky roll out to an exchange? It does not stop it being Market 1.

The continuance of the Market 1 designation aims to encourage LLU operators such as Sky and TalkTalk to unbundle these exchanges. BT Wholesale's prices remain high despite the exchange being unbundled, so the LLU operators know they can undercut these expensive prices until the exchange is recategorised.

In reply to a post by brightd:

What difference does having TalkTalk and Sky roll out to an exchange? It does not stop it being Market 1.

But it gives an incentive to upgrade it to WBC.

The difference will become apparent once the next Ofcom(??) exchange review takes place (early next year I believe) - the exchange will be regraded Market 2 or 3 depending on the suppliers it now has.

In reply to a post by WelshWArrior:

The difference will become apparent once the next Ofcom(??) exchange review takes place (early next year I believe) - the exchange will be regraded Market 2 or 3 depending on the suppliers it now has.

The proposed 2014 Market designations only have two tiers relating to Openreach lines - A and B. Paragraph 1.5 of the consultation summary gives the descriptions.

When a LLU operator moved into the exchange that serves me two years ago, I was immediately able to secure a reduction from Plusnet.

How did you do that?

@brightd -if you are out of any minimum term, just phone Plusnet Customer Options team - I negotiated this June on the basis that Sky had unbundled my Market 1 exchange and got 50% off of unlimited b/band for 12 months -I'll do exactly the same next June ,with the added advantage that TalkTalk are in process of unbundling as well!!

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Correct the Max Premium charge still applies on those exchanges where IPStream Max and IPStream Max Premium are the two rate adaptive options.

Those two IPStream are to be retired from BT in Feb 2014.