Static IP's Question?

I'm looking to join Plusnet FTTC when it becomes available in my area and have some questions about fttc..

1st question is how much the Static IP's cost: I'm aware they are £5 but is that one off or monthly.

2nd. Can I have more than 1 static IP (Reason Below)

I have an Airport Extreme and an Airport Express

I'm going to use the Airport Extreme as the main router via PPPOE connected to the VDSL modem and want to use the Airport Express in My garage/Office to extend the wireless and the network and wanted to assign the airport extreme 1 static ip and another to the Airport Express so that I can get the guest network working in the garage as well as the house as using the airport express can't do guest network in Bridge mode.

Thanks in advance.

Q1 One off charge
Q2 Not on a residential account

Edited by deleted (Mon 12-May-14 17:15:19)

So if I went for business FTTC I would get more than 1 static IP but would they still be one off £5 charge?

And what else would i get on business over residential?

http://www.plus.net/support/service/policies/IP_bloc... gives the information but I am not sure that you would get one for the reasons you give

Am I missing something here? Why is a second static IP address needed?

Couldn't you give the Express a fixed LAN IP address on the Extreme's network, and disable the DHCP on the Express?

Oh yes I forget that IPv4 is in short supply now, and after looking into it more, doing what IU wanted which is basically having 2 routers running with DHCP both with different static IP's, It wouldn't work as well as I first assumed...

But still answered a my main question that was on my mind which was the cost..

So thanks for the information, I'm sure I'll be back soon

Can't see a static WAN ip address helping in the slightest.

well I thought I might be able to set 2 apple airports up each with its own static IP so I could have both of them broadcasting guest networks as well as separating office and home connections,

But then I realised that switching between 2 DHCP routers could confuse the network or device connecting to them.

I now need to know also if when plusnet assign me a static IP does it configure on the VDSL Modem (HG612) or on the Router (Base Station)??

As I have an airport extreme which I can't configure a static IP on when connecting with PPPOE or so it seems.

The modem passes through the WAN IP address to the router. I don't think you need a static IP address to give a guest network.

So by that logic I wouldn't need to configure the airport extreme for the static ip and I don't need it for the guest network.....

If I Have my airport extreme broadcasting a guest network and then connect my airport express by Ethernet in bridge mode, the airport cannot broadcast the guest because it requires the IP address provided by my ISP to do so where in bridge mode it is assigned an IP from the DHCP pool.

And I wanted the Guest network on the Airport Express to in a separate IP range to my home network.

(Residential) Plusnet static IP addresses are not configured at your end.

They simply allocate one from their DHCP pool and store it on your account. When you connect, that address is given to you instead of a newly-issued DHCP dynamic one.

So it is the VDSL Modem that gets it then and my router just stays on dynamic IP mode and picks it up automatically.

As far as I can see, you have the Airport Extreme connected to the modem and running DHCP and NAT, and providing a guest network. You connect the Airport Express in bridge mode and this extends both your normal LAN and your guest LAN.

The modem doesn't really get the WAN ip address as it's configured in bridge mode
It just passes right though the modem to the Extreme as the Extreme creates the PPPOE session.

As BatBoy says, (I'm assuming he is right about the Apple kit configuration as I don't know them), you don't seem to need a static IP address from your ISP for this?

Though I have one just so I can run the tbb BQM.

IN reply to both your posts:

1: The airport express can't extend the guest network only my home network, The airport express says it can't set up guest network unless I have it set on share public IP which is how my main router is set.

2. Oh I got it now, So when I sign into the PPPOE it then is sent the IP to be configured with and the VDSL Modem just converts the signals from NGA.

BQM is really the reason I want one as well tbh, I want to know how the connection through FTTC compares to the likes of Virgin.

I also like knowing my IP and might set up remote CCTV system in future too.

1. It should but you may need the latest firmware.

2. Yeah.

1. I do have latest firmware

2. Cool, that's sorted that, Thanks

Edited by mlmclaren (Mon 12-May-14 20:05:33)

How is the Express connected to the Extreme - wired, wireless, through a switch?

Ethernet Direct

The reason I asked is because it sets up a VLAN for the Guest network and some switches don't pass through the VLAN stuff. I guess you need Apple support.

Ok thanks for your help will jump on to apple now.

Well turns out that I can do most things I thought I couldn't, but can't do them on windows utility on Mac or iOS as there there newer version.

So all done.

So you just need the single static IP address, to get BQM. I assume you can set the Extreme to respond to pings?

Yep the AE is responding to my BQM setup via virgin just fine

That's great news

indeed!

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

(Residential) Plusnet static IP addresses are not configured at your end.

They simply allocate one from their DHCP pool and store it on your account. When you connect, that address is given to you instead of a newly-issued DHCP dynamic one.

I'm not sure if they'd use DHCP or not as it's PPP not straight ethernet, more likely to be controlled by the Radius/AAA servers.

In reply to a post by dragon2611:

I'm not sure if they'd use DHCP or not as it's PPP not straight ethernet, more likely to be controlled by the Radius/AAA servers.

I've always commented this when people say DHCP given the use of PPP. Surely the RAS will have its own pool distributed in the PPP frames, and no DHCP packets would be seen. Not that bothered to wireshark it though

Didn't know you had a PN connection too

Edited by jchamier (Sat 17-May-14 22:13:48)