In reply to a post by superspeed:

I fear you repeatedly draw negative conclusions from the openness of PN about what they do, as opposed to the complete silence from most other ISPs. Has it occurred to you those others might be scared of comparisons?

We all have a right to know the truth about a product we are buying, so nothing negative about it. Why would anyone be scared of comparisons, that's crazy. Comparisons help, just like that, bit out of date fibre isp list your mate did, helped me.

Exactly.

So you are likely to go to an ISP that refuses to publish any such information. No truth there.

Your choice .

In reply to a post by superspeed:

That seems like another way of saying, pay for this and we will lift the restrictions. Both speed and priority.

I think the name of the add-on says it all. I think it is meant to appeal to hard-core requirements, whether they are P2P addicts, or serious home-workers.

Think of it as a means to allow yourself to opt-out of the restrictions where your personal requirements are non-standard.

But note that even when opted-out, the protocols that require low latency are still treated at a higher priority than the bulk protocols. That's quite simply because they just wouldn't work.

I see what you mean but I won't be paying extra for that add-on. I'm probably not hardcore enough on P2P plus I need to watch my budget.

Don't see why I should paymore anyway.

Maybe it would be good for someone to do a test with that add-on but it's not essential to me.

In reply to a post by superspeed:

Still quite slow for your connection and worse from 8pm. But that's PN limit at that time from what I was told.

On the wired connection, my speedtests show 60Mbps - so I'm being compromised by having to run the machine remotely. BitTorrent has less UI interaction, but I suspect it is still being affected. However, I can only tell you that in a couple of months

The 8pm-10pm limit was clearly noticeable - the PN pages suggest I ought to be limited to 2Mbps by the rate limits, and (as 8pm-10pm is the busy-hour) is the time I'd be most likely to be hit by any prioritisation problems.

BTW - if you want to see the effect of the prioritisation on latency, take a look at Plusnet's graphs of the latency over the last 24 hours.

There are also graphs for bandwidth usage too.

Why have I never found that info !!

Superb. Tr�s int�ressant.

Shows we are on WBMC not WBC, which I was fairly sure of but not certain, and the gateways are fed from all four MSILs.

The DNS graphs are intersting as well.

In reply to a post by superspeed:

I see what you mean but I won't be paying extra for that add-on. I'm probably not hardcore enough on P2P plus I need to watch my budget.

Don't see why I should paymore anyway.

Absolutely. With Fibre-Extra, the only reason to be on "Pro" would be because you *needed* P2P to work quickly between 8PM and 10PM. If you can accept the hoovering principle outside these hours (especially during the midnight-8AM off-peak slot), then it is better value-for-money to go without.

Did I already say this? Most people on the PN forums advise against adding Pro to Fibre (especially Fibre-Extra), as the feeling is that it is unnecessary. I haven't yet seen a case where it has proven necessary.

PN, like any other ISP, buys bandwidth from BT in terms of the capacity per second, not the total transferred over the course of a day. The difference is that the total capacity purchased must be enough for the peak busy-hour, rather than the average over the day... and the unused capacity at other hours is just a costly overhead.

This can be read 2 ways:
- PN have to do their best to keep P2P traffic out of the busy hour, so they don't have to purchase too much capacity. This done in 2 ways, by rate-limiting during the busy-hour, and by making usage free overnight.
- "Pro" users can be assumed to be using their full speed in the busy-hour, so their £5pm contribution has to go directly towards the cost of extra busy-hour capacity. Every non-pro users gets to take advantage of the extra "spare" capacity that is then available outside the busy hour.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Why have I never found that info !!

There was a long period where the data was out of date. Some of the graphs weren't being updated (the time axis never changed), while some of them didn't include gateways that you could plainly see yourself connecting through.

You've seen the Gateway checker, haven't you? From that, you can follow your own averages on the graphs.

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

On the wired connection, my speedtests show 60Mbps - so I'm being compromised by having to run the machine remotely. BitTorrent has less UI interaction, but I suspect it is still being affected. However, I can only tell you that in a couple of months

Ah - it looks like TeamViewer is something of a CPU hog. When BitTorrent is running, it then takes up the remainder of the CPU load available.

I now suspect that my overall throughput was limited by the fact that there was insufficient processor power.

I'm on Plusnet Extra Fibre with a sync speed of 68Mbps, I've just set the Knoppix distro downloading, here's the speed a few minutes ago.

http://community.plus.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11...

I've paused it for now so I'll restart it tonight during peak time (I'll do one before 8pm and one between 8 and 10pm).

If you're happy with the 2 hour restriction then all good, for us to remove that during that specific period would mean more capacity required and therefore increased costs. For the general user the way we do it seem to work and for those that want that 8pm-10pm restriction to be removed then Pro can be added.

Well not long now for the others tests. I just want to check a few things.
As you work for plusnet, is that a plusnet connecton or your own?

If it's a plusnet connection, won't it get priority, as it's plusnets main connection?

I may have got this wrong way round but that is megabytes on that snapshot you did? Not megabits.

Edited by deleted (Mon 12-Nov-12 20:51:33)