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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 03-Dec-12 13:24:09
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Re: Countdown begins!


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"May"! - keeping their options open in future?

It also says "Any such limit will be clearly set out at www.tescobroadband.com/terms (non-existent) or in our marketing materials"/

Not ideal tho'!

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 03-Dec-12 16:41:17
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Re: Countdown begins!


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http://www.tescobroadband.com/help-and-support/artic...

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 03-Dec-12 16:56:09
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Re: Countdown begins!


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Where? Please point out section where it says 100 GB?

I have already pointed at and quoted that doc w/out finding any mention of that.

We are in danger of going in circles.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC


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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 03-Dec-12 17:26:50
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smile
I wasn't saying anything about content.

I was just replying to the bit about the non-existent Terms page, with the correct link.

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 03-Dec-12 18:44:50
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Re: Countdown begins!


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We are being recursive!

That non-existent Terms link appears within the "correct" link that you posted (in section 11).

Hence you are contending that the non-existent Terms link in section 11 should have pointed to the doc in which it is contained. I'm getting giddy! grin

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 03-Dec-12 18:48:57
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Not read it in detail - I have a "small print" 15-page T & Cs doc displayed within the page I gave. Looks fairly detailed?

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"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 03-Dec-12 19:05:56
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No need to read! I already quoted it here: http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/plusnet/t/4185704-r...

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 09-Dec-12 12:03:41
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In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
How is Tesco connected to PN? Are you thinking of John Lewis?

Sorry for delay. It was completely unrelated to PN, and more a 'compare and contrast' example.

PN (and a number of other ISPs) state fixed allowances, and may have 'unlimited' off-peak, while some other ISPs state 'unlimited' but do have limits sometimes only found in small print, other times unwritten and hidden, but masked in terms like 'Fair Use Policy'.

Tesco says 'unlimited' but clearly isn't, and while their FAQ says one thing, and staff may back it up on the phone or via online chat, their T+C says another (namely that they can charge, though they don't get detailed enough to explain what fees could be charged, and the FAQ ignores this possibility).

For a customer / potential customer, I think it is a crazy situation where there are 'truly' unlimited ISPs and others saying 'unlimited' but meaning 'we say it for marketing reasons, but have our own view and if you go over our limit, we'll warn that you broke our FUP and require you to limit your usage'.

PN makes it possible for someone to 'go over' and pay for it, or limit (as low as nil) how much extra they are willing to spend. I'm considering a complaint to some body such as OFCOM to see if claims of 'unlimited' can be banned unless the ISP really means it. It might mean an ISP will create a new account offering unlimited, with a really high monthly charge, but should bring clarity for customers as to what real world limits the ISPs have, whereas they say one thing but actually have hidden limits. Comparison sites often copy what they find, or use what they are told, without making any distinction about FUP limits vs unlimited accounts, all called 'unlimited'. Can understand that without the help/inside info from ISP staff, any unpublished limit is unclear, and if a customer is told they have exceeded a limit, there's no guarantee the same limit will apply the same day to any other customer of the same ISP, as an ISP might take note of previous instances when the customer went over an arbitrary limit and have a 'three strikes and you're out' policy or no actual policy and it depends on a whim, so which member of staff and what mood they are in that day might determine the action taken.

Back to the subject of charging for usage:
As another (dated, and academic) example of a charging method, Metronet (before PN took over) had accounts where a particular fee would provide a certain allowance. If that allowance was exceeded, there was a 'per MB' fee up to some upper monthly fee limit (but it seeemed to me to not have a restriction on traffic). I remember one account having a maximum monthly fee of approx 100 pounds, but it was probably competitive for a business if the alternative was a leased line and the usage levels could probably have been significantly higher at 100-odd quid (at up to 8 Mbps download speed on ADSL) than a 2 Mbps leased line...
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 09-Dec-12 12:32:00
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The "unlimited" question was discussed [ad nauseam[/i] years ago. Everybody gave up, and it is pointless your thinking of complaining to officialdom.

It is the ASA that is relevant in this case, not OfCom, as it is the product advertising you are concerned about. Amongst the arguments the ASA and ISPs came back with was that you have an unlimited connection in that you can be connected as long as you like without incurring further costs, unlike most dialup.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet Extra Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 53.7/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Sun 09-Dec-12 17:58:55
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The Committee of Advertising Practice (CAP) advises:

�Unlimited� claims are likely to be acceptable provided that the legitimate user incurs no additional charge or suspension of service as a consequence of exceeding any usage threshold associated with an FUP, traffic management policy or the like

http://www.cap.org.uk/~/media/Files/CAP/Help%20notes...

If Tesco were to charge customers for exceeding a FUP on an "unlimited" package, or cut them off, they would fall foul of ASA/CAP guidelines.

Oliver.
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