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Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Sat 26-Jan-13 13:24:38
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I doubt a dynamic IP is much of a proof against being tracked down.

Indeed. Golden Eye went after O2 customers, who mostly use dynamic IP addresses.

Oliver.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sat 26-Jan-13 13:48:02
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Which were extremely sticky at the time, making things simple.

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Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Sat 26-Jan-13 14:03:24
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Which were extremely sticky at the time, making things simple.

I believe Davenport Lyons and ACS:Law also went after dynamic IP addresses as well as static ones. Indeed, they don't even know which are static and which are dynamic when applying for a court order, although they do know which ISP they are registered to. It's up to the ISP to read their logs and work out who used which IP address and when, static or dynamic.

Oliver.


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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sat 26-Jan-13 14:13:47
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What I meant was it is easier to trace if a user has the same "dynamic" IP address for months, if not years, on end, than it is when it changes possibly several times a day. Which with someone wanting to avoid being traced is rather simple on true dynamic.

You seem to have misunderstood the point of my post smile. Which was that maybe they chose O2 precisely because of the relative ease of tracing, and lack of excuse by the ISP that it could be difficult.

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Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Sat 26-Jan-13 14:31:26
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What I meant was it is easier to trace if a user has the same "dynamic" IP address for months, if not years, on end, than it is when it changes possibly several times a day. Which with someone wanting to avoid being traced is rather simple on true dynamic.

Oh right. I don't think the companies monitoring p2p check to see if you are sharing the works for a few days, I suspect after 5 minutes of downloading from an IP address they will add it to the list with a timestamp.

Oliver.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sat 26-Jan-13 14:34:10
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Same point. They know with O2 they will get a higher probability of proving who it was. Far less hassle than ISPs with highly volatile dynamic IPs.

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Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Sat 26-Jan-13 14:49:02
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Same point. They know with O2 they will get a higher probability of proving who it was. Far less hassle than ISPs with highly volatile dynamic IPs.

Either that, or they thought O2 would be a soft touch in court, which indeed proved to be the case, as they chose not to object to the court order.

Oliver.
Standard User wingco1
(legend) Sat 26-Jan-13 16:05:20
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Either that, or they thought O2 would be a soft touch in court, which indeed proved to be the case, as they chose not to object to the court order.
Just for the record neither did Plusnet.
Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Sat 26-Jan-13 16:11:00
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Either that, or they thought O2 would be a soft touch in court, which indeed proved to be the case, as they chose not to object to the court order.
Just for the record neither did Plusnet.

Probably because Golden Eye didn't go after Plusnet customers, they chose only to persue O2/BE customers.

Oliver.
Standard User wingco1
(legend) Sat 26-Jan-13 16:17:24
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True. But others did and Plusnet didn't object to the court order. Neither did it seem did other ISP's. In which case O2/Be were not on their own.
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