Yes, sorry, but your post launched a pointless exchange with adslmax (@RobertoS: not the G.992.1 technology but the forum member ) which I felt bound to clarify.

Sent you a reply. Not sure It would work but I can leave if I want, with no charges, so I am told by PN.

I am happy with Extra fibre though, just not this unfair £1.50.

Edit: no worrys. Adslmax wanted to know if the extra charge applied to him.

Edited by deleted (Sat 10-Aug-13 23:53:11)

Ummm! I replied to your PM reply before seeing this. Further PM follows.

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 11-Aug-13 00:06:02)

In reply to a post by superspeed:

And another thing. If plusnet stopped trying to sell broadband products at stupid prices, like £5.99, they would not have to resort to the sly tactics by adding an extra £1.50 to our broadband prices.

Selling broadband at that price is unsustainable. That don't even pay the minimum wage for 1hr, of a PN agents wages.

It's all about market domination. BT Group is hellbent on crushing the market shares of Sky and TalkTalk, by operating the BT retail division at a loss.

Plus net (a retail subsidiary of BT Group) is likely losing money hand over foot.

A truly independent ISP, with no mega-rich parent like BT that can massage its group figures, could never in the long term sustain such operating losses.

The major profits in the BT Group are being made today in the BT Openreach division. And it is those BT profits, gained from access charges to the FTTC network which are crippling Sky, TalkTalk and other operators.

TalkTalk has filed an official complaint with Ofcom, accusing the BT Group (including Plus Net) of engaging in an unlawful profit margin squeeze. Ofcom has been persuaded to take a look, but that could take months or even years.

http://br0kent3l3ph0n3.wordpress.com/2013/05/05/bts-...

Plus Net and its silly season pricing are not unlike Murdoch and his underhand fight with The Times. For a sustained period, the newspaper was sold for just 10p. Murdoch's game plan was to seize the market share of the rival broadsheets (Independent and Guardian) and ultimately drive them out of business, too.

If the BT Group achieves its similar goal, Sky and TalkTalk (assuming they survive) will be relegated to minor bit-players in the FTTC market.

And through the destruction of a competitive marketplace, that would be to the ultimate detriment of every consumer.

I saw it as pointless from the pointless of view that he had already had it confirmed by PN reps here at least twice earlier in this thread.

On Kindle at mo', so cannot pointless you to them.

In reply to a post by superspeed:

one of the reason I did not take your phone service, was because I can not use override providers.

Yes you can, there are no restrictions that I know of.

except in the last financial reports BT retail made more profit than BT openreach.

Although that could be mostly from voice margins, But BT retail is in the black. Also Plusnet is only a fraction of BT retail revenue and BT infinity prices have a decent margin over wholesale.

http://www.btplc.com/News/ResultsPDF/q113_release.pdf

Edited by Chrysalis (Sun 11-Aug-13 09:20:12)

Plus Net and its silly season pricing are not unlike Murdoch and his underhand fight with The Times. For a sustained period, the newspaper was sold for just 10p. Murdoch's game plan was to seize the market share of the rival broadsheets (Independent and Guardian) and ultimately drive them out of business, too.

Not unlike Sly silly season Broadband prices at the expense of their ripped off TV viewers. Just like the TesCon 'treble the price and get one free', it's all smoke and mirrors these days with the big companies.

My line rental contract with BT Retail is nearly up - very tempted to go with Zen for a line rental package. BT Retail line rental is OK if there are no problems but if there are problems then getting it sorted can be a nightmare (recent dealings with BT line faults on my aunt's behalf were frustrating to the nth degree.)

In contrast xilo/uno are great for broadband on a 30 day minimum term (TTB - SMPF.)

So stay with BT Retail for line rental (even though I get more than £3 off per month on a retention deal) and xilo/uno for broadband; or Zen for line rental and stay with xilo/uno for broadband; or go to Plusnet for a line rental and broadband with a one year contact package on a Market 2 ("low cost area") 21CN enabled exchange...

Plusnet BB only on a 30 day minimum term even where there is a Market 2/3 21CN enabled exchange is certainly no longer competitively priced.