Openreach only have three FTTC products. 40/2, 40/10, 80/20.

Therefore Plusnet are download speed capping the 80/20.

plusnet are offering 40/20 because they feel it will make them money.

thats very different to you going on about isps buying 80/20 of openreach to sell 40/10

plusnet arent selling 40/10 they selling 40/20

Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 27-Jun-14 06:03:22)

he was asking me about 40/10 not 40/20 in the post I replied to.

I feel like I am been ganged up on here.

Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 27-Jun-14 06:04:06)

Chris, I think it's a no brainier to see that this will make them money. They are taking a product which can do up to 80Mbps down and capping it to 40, also making it unlimited in the process.

Also, per this thread, http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/plusnet/t/4337950-t... , it means they can do a product switch and contract the customer into another 18 month contract, even though this switch required no product change with Openreach, which would contract PlusNet into another 12 month contract with Openreach.

I get your point about 80/20 limiting to 40/10, and why most ISPs wouldn't do this. But it is still possible to do, which was the point I was trying to make.

From 1st July pressure for that extra 18 month contract to not be there increases a lot as migrations will be just 1 month contract on FTTC

Yep! It's exactly what happened with Iplayer: http://community.plus.net/blog/2008/02/08/iplayer-us... just this time it's turning people who mostly browsed the web and consumed very little peak time traffic into people who solidly stream a 6Mbps+ HD stream at peak.

In reply to a post by 4M2:

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

Netflix usage caught Sky, VM and others completely off guard. The congestion on the BT Wholesale, Sky and VM networks is directly attributable to increased usage of high quality streaming video.

iPlayer etc. 720p 2500Kbps VBR might be the norm though - what's the bit rate on that "high quality streaming video"?

Netflix recommend 5Mbps for their HD streams. More for the Super HD.

Doesn't sound like much but enough people going from a bit of intermittent browsing and downloading to sustaining 5Mbps or the 2.5Mbps streams from iPlayer makes a dent in networks built around 500kbps peak usage.

In reply to a post by mixt:

Chris, I think it's a no brainier to see that this will make them money. They are taking a product which can do up to 80Mbps down and capping it to 40, also making it unlimited in the process.

I am totally confused here. They are taking a product which they are paying £16/month + VAT for and capping it to the same downstream performance as one they'd be paying £14/month + VAT for then apparently charging £16.49/month including VAT for broadband only and £14.99/month including VAT if I'm reading this thread right. That cost is before the traffic has actually touched the Plusnet network so includes zero MSIL charges or any of Plusnet's operational costs.

That doesn't strike me a a no brainer. It leaves me wondering just how much they're getting in discounts from BT Wholesale and how heavily they are relying on line rental at £15.95 / month to subsidise the broadband because there is absolutely no way at list prices or close to them that the broadband element of the deal is profitable.

If they are doing this and paying list price they are making a £1.71/month loss on this package, broadband only, before they have had to pay any of their own expenses or data has touched their network from the end user.

Edited by deleted (Fri 27-Jun-14 10:43:55)

Found a very interesting thread regarding this on the plusnet forum,
http://community.plus.net/forum/index.php/topic,1281...

Both Fibre products will be provisioned on 80/20 speeds, however, the Unlimited Fibre (Up to 38Mbps) package will be capped at 40/20 on our side.

An aside to this: On the 'basic' Unlimited Fibre (40/20) would any potential future Plusnet IPTV (Multicast) offering be using bandwidth only within the PN capped 38Mbps or could it use additional available bandwidth since the line is still provisioned on 80/20 so some 'spare' may be available?

That's a genius idea. I hadn't considered it.
Plusnet: Head of Products and Digital Care

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

he was asking me about 40/10 not 40/20 in the post I replied to.

I feel like I am been ganged up on here.

Not by intention .

I've a feeling you may have edited your post that I replied to whilst I was checking the Openreach and BTW pricelists, (which isn't something done quickly), to make sure they hadn't introduced a 40/20. Was your edit to change "I have never heard of an isp supplying 40/20 on the 80/20 openreach service. that makes no sense" to "I have never heard of an isp supplying 40/10 on the 80/20 openreach service ..."?

The timings of our posts and your edit fit. If it was to do that, the timing does suggest it was an understandable typo, but I would have been working from the original and no reason to think it was a typo.

My point was that as of the latest product re-jig Plusnet are supplying a download-slugged 80/20 for the 40Mbps product. As has now been confirmed. Also, contrary to what mixt said in this post, they haven't been doing it up until the re-jig.

Until then, as has been said, they did supply (Openreach) 40/10 on 80/20 orders if the estimate was below 40Mbps. I strongly disapproved of that. It is to be hoped they aren't continuing so to do.

Edited by RobertoS (Fri 27-Jun-14 12:39:37)