And particularly as BT Wholesale charge the same price on all markets for their WBC FTTC products.

£16+VAT does look unsustainable.

Individual providers are able to negotiate pricing deals, and it may be that PlusNet has one, not unlike EE with their 'network area' pricing.

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And particularly as BT Wholesale charge the same price on all markets for their WBC FTTC products.

£16+VAT does look unsustainable.

Individual providers are able to negotiate pricing deals, and it may be that PlusNet has one, not unlike EE with their 'network area' pricing.

Does the above mean that there's no real justification (from a costs point of view) charging me £7.50 per month extra for being on a market 1 exchange?

The standard wholesale for FTTC is the same for all exchanges that doesn't mean that is the case for whatever negotiation Plusnet may have done with BT Wholesale.

So, it may or may not be justified.

Also, contrary to what mixt said in this post, they haven't been doing it up until the re-jig.

Thanks for clarifying the wood from the trees here Rob, much appreciated.

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Netflix usage caught Sky, VM and others completely off guard. The congestion on the BT Wholesale, Sky and VM networks is directly attributable to increased usage of high quality streaming video.

iPlayer etc. 720p 2500Kbps VBR might be the norm though - what's the bit rate on that "high quality streaming video"?

Netflix recommend 5Mbps for their HD streams. More for the Super HD.

Doesn't sound like much but enough people going from a bit of intermittent browsing and downloading to sustaining 5Mbps or the 2.5Mbps streams from iPlayer makes a dent in networks built around 500kbps peak usage.

"Ultra high quality" - UltraHD - 4K - 3840x2160 at 20 to 30Mbps will probably be the next step from "Super HD" (1920x1080 ~10Mbps?)

I've just obtained a "4K" 3840x2160 .mov video file compressed at 64Mbps VBR and it's unplayable on my machines even though I have the codec installed. So as well as increased bandwidth for streaming one is going to have to upgrade hardware even for 20 to 30Mbps "4K" stuff?

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Openreach only have three FTTC products. 40/2, 40/10, 80/20.

Therefore Plusnet are download speed capping the 80/20.

Sometimes next year BT to bring in 120/30 with new vectoring and g.fast. So, it will be 40/10, 80/20 and 120/30.

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From 1st July pressure for that extra 18 month contract to not be there increases a lot as migrations will be just 1 month contract on FTTC

I guess many isp's will probably ignore 1st July for any migrations from one isp to other isp on FTTC to reduce 18 months to 1 month contract without a deal special price. As Plusnet always giving a good deal discount prices but asking the customer to renewal as a 12, 18 or 24 months contract depend on the deal prices.

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And any proof of this statement beyond a soggy beer mat?

g.fast in 2015 as a live product really

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And any proof of this statement beyond a soggy beer mat?

g.fast in 2015 as a live product really

got email from BT PD Wales & The Marches NGA that coming soon it will be FTTC 120/30 as BT are pushing the speed sometimes next year which it good news as the trial are going very well with vectoring and G.Fast. BT want the new product 120/30 when BT Sports take over Sky as a new Champion League for 2015/16 season. But, BT say it will be available around 25% who got the higher speed 80/20 will getting 120/30 next year. For those who live much closer to the cabinet up to 100m away.

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And any proof of this statement beyond a soggy beer mat?

g.fast in 2015 as a live product really

got email from BT PD Wales & The Marches NGA that coming soon it will be FTTC 120/30 as BT are pushing the speed sometimes next year which it good news as the trial are going very well with vectoring and G.Fast. BT want the new product 120/30 when BT Sports take over Sky as a new Champion League for 2015/16 season. But, BT say it will be available around 25% who got the higher speed 80/20 will getting 120/30 next year. For those who live much closer to the cabinet up to 100m away.

Would you care to post that email here, please