In reply to a post by ppppenguin99:

I'm one of those happy folk who's on the older PN 40/20 package.My line actually syncs at 80/20 but PN throttle download to 40. This package didn't make business sense for PN so it was withdrawn for new customers. PN were paying Openreach for 80/20 but selling at a 40 price.

PN could have offered the 40/10 option too - they've chosen to make it 40/2 from 40/20 (which as you say is the 80/20 service throttled back).

Will then offer the 55/10 service or maybe offer it as 40/10 perhaps... or 30/5 or some other random amount.

Edited by therioman (Sat 12-Mar-16 17:44:39)

Providing 55/10 and throttling it to 40/10 would make even less sense than 80/20 slugged to 40/20.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Providing 55/10 and throttling it to 40/10 would make even less sense than 80/20 slugged to 40/20.

Throttling the 80 to 40 makes a lot of sense. I understand entirely why.

Offering the 20 upload when the download was capped as it was made very little sense except perhaps from a marketing angle, although I am not convinced a typical PN target customer would know, understand or realise the difference (I realise there are those who do here, but that won't be representative of the customer base as a whole). Upload is not a major cause of issues & cost at a network/bandwidth level for providers like download is.

It would make sense to offer 55/10 - perhaps capped back to 40/10 or maybe /5. It doesn't cost very much more at all, it does add a marketing benefit and I can see how it would work out for them.

In reply to a post by therioman:

It would make sense to offer 55/10 - perhaps capped back to 40/10

If Plusnet were to offer customers 40/10 they would surely just buy 40/10 from Openreach and not buy 55/10 and cap at 40/10, unless Plusnet are keen on throwing money away.

In reply to a post by Oliver341:

In reply to a post by therioman:

It would make sense to offer 55/10 - perhaps capped back to 40/10

If Plusnet were to offer customers 40/10 they would surely just buy 40/10 from Openreach and not buy 55/10 and cap at 40/10, unless Plusnet are keen on throwing money away.

A fair and valid point! It's been a long week!

In reply to a post by therioman:

It would make sense to offer 55/10 - perhaps capped back to 40/10 or maybe /5.

Sorry to blow another of your ideas but I don't think it's even possible for the upstream to be throttled to a lower speed (certainly not with whatever kit Plusnet use).

Don't they just use ip profiles?

Not on upstream. The IP Profile is only of use to the sending party, to prevent them feeding too quickly to the DSLAM/MSAN. On FTTC it is simply set to the maximum for the product, but as the Openreach DLM won't negotiate a higher sync than the ordered product it has no effect.

In reply to a post by Al1264:

In reply to a post by therioman:

It would make sense to offer 55/10 - perhaps capped back to 40/10 or maybe /5.

Sorry to blow another of your ideas but I don't think it's even possible for the upstream to be throttled to a lower speed (certainly not with whatever kit Plusnet use).

Why? They can throttle the downstream, so I imagine they can by various means do the same with the upstream. The router still syncs at whatever the FTTC side does, as it does on the older restricted package.

I guess they might have some technology restriction, but I'm not sure that they do, when it clearly can restrict in the other direction.

Throttle the upstream at the Plusnet end and you'll simply get a huge number of dropped packets. Probably causing DLM to intervene and band the line at a lower speed.