Yes the point I was making above was in response to yours about PPPoE "makes wholesaling easier". In terms of actual wholesale networks, the two largest such networks in the land, Openreach and CityFibre support both flavours of authentication and as far as I know don't dictate to or impose any recommendation on either to their customers. That's up to them. Some will use both - TalkTalk Biz use PPPoE on Openreach whilst TalkTalk resi use IPoE.

BTW are a customer of and a provider to their CPs customers under Openreach. I don't think that sways the argument one way or the other for PPPoE making wholesaling easier. That just what they have decided.

In my opinion deciding to use PPPoE doesn't necessary make wholesaling any easier or harder. It just a business/technical decision the particular ISP/CP makes.

Why in particular do you think it makes it easier?

Also, how many significant providers these days use exclusively BT Wholesale?

There used to be a 100, maybe 150, tiny ones with a dozen or so friends and family and neighbours served in ADSLx days, but now? Even the plethora of Entanet-based providers has shrunk dramatically as far as we can tell. Of the bigger ones of those, isn't Aquiss now the only survivor?

Come PSTN switch-off expected in 2025 "up to 8Mbps" and the spread of Openreach and other full fibre providers ADSL cannot survive for long, and most of its end users will also be approaching end of life.

Back to the OP, I wonder if Plusnet has finally run out of IPv4 addresses and the availability of them on the "pre-loved" market. But nobody has told sales and marketing.

Edited by pluralist (Tue 16-Nov-21 18:22:24)

In reply to a post by pluralist:

isn't Aquiss now the only survivor?

I believe so. I certainly know we pick up a large amount of custom from defunct other companies.

If you an ISP who buys connectivity from BTw and BTw require to use PPPoE?

Does it make your life easier to match your suppliers policies?

Now I dont know if BTw actually require PPPoE, Sky and TT consumer use IPoE, they both have their on networks, but do they have any customers also on BTw in non LLU areas, which I think they do, and I assume they still use IPoE for those customers, maybe someone who knows can confirm.

I do agree with you that PPPoE is annoying, so not sure what the issue here is with my comments..

Edited by Chrysalis (Wed 17-Nov-21 19:19:44)

I think exclusivity BTw probably doesnt matter.

If you was an ISP and you had to use PPPoE for one of two suppliers, it would likely mean you also use it for the other so you have a consistent setup. Otherwise it adds headaches for tech support and as well as pre configured routers sent out.

Yeh look it was just a genuine question why you thought PPPoE made it easier to wholesale. I don’t particularly think it makes a difference. I don’t actually think it’s annoying at all. It’s just another protocol. No big deal.

You keep quoting BTW but they are just one of many CP (admittedly big) but then again look at TalkTalk not exactly insignificant- they provide on both OR and CityFibre wholesale networks and use both PPPoE and IPoE. They’d have more customers on the latter as resi subs outnumber Biz subs by some margin.

In reply to a post by pluralist:

Back to the OP, I wonder if Plusnet has finally run out of IPv4 addresses and the availability of them on the "pre-loved" market. But nobody has told sales and marketing.

I asked for and was given a static IP address during November. The address worked immediately, and was somewhat different from the dynamic address I had.

I've just realised the OP has disappeared. (And previously hadn't posted since the latest archiving of posts some time in 2011).

It's a long time since 1 October.

Edited by pluralist (Thu 18-Nov-21 11:24:32)

Standard modus operandi for some folks!? Post a question then [censored] off, never to be heard from again until the next question arises in a few months or years. 🤣