In reply to a post by adslmax:

DLM might bite your line decreased speed.

For some reason, something in the config of my router changed, and I have no idea what, it all seems fine now I restored my settings in the router. Websites seems to be coming up quicker as well.

I admit when I am wrong.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I admit when I am wrong.

Good to hear, so no conspiracy then? I'll remind you next time you start trying to go down that road again, be it related to this type of issue or any other matter

In reply to a post by dect:

Good to hear, so no conspiracy then? I'll remind you next time you start trying to go down that road again, be it related to this type of issue or any other matter

But a couple of people I chat to do seem to have a slower speed since FTTP have passed their house and their providers have been sending them emails to update, it does seem a bit of a coincidence. I would not put it past providers doing it. Just like supermarkets open less checkouts to push people to use selfscans.

I revert to my previous comments

In reply to a post by dect:

I revert to my previous comments

And? You know these things happen. If a company wants people to do things a different way, then they take away or make it more difficult to do things the old way. Government and NHS does it as well.
Take our Doctor surgery, all online now to book an appointment, even if you go down there to book the appointment they will fill in the same form for you online. You certainly know full well that they do this in supermarkets, don't forget i work in one, and I see how things are done., so I would not be surprised if a ISp slow does something to push people to FTTP.

I have been looking around today, while doing other stuff, and prices for FTTC is getting to be more expensive than Fibre. That is when I put my adress in, I am going to put an address in where i know they don't have Openreach fibre and see if it is any difference.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I have been looking around today, while doing other stuff, and prices for FTTC is getting to be more expensive than Fibre.

If its an alt net then OR would be stupid to annoy existing users, and lose customers. The issues with VDSL or all DSL products around the globe is well known.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

You know these things happen. If a company wants people to do things a different way, then they take away or make it more difficult to do things the old way. Government and NHS does it as well.
Take our Doctor surgery, all online now to book an appointment, even if you go down there to book the appointment they will fill in the same form for you online. You certainly know full well that they do this in supermarkets, don't forget i work in one, and I see how things are done., so I would not be surprised if a ISp slow does something to push people to FTTP.

I have been looking around today, while doing other stuff, and prices for FTTC is getting to be more expensive than Fibre. That is when I put my adress in, I am going to put an address in where i know they don't have Openreach fibre and see if it is any difference.

Adrian you need to thing more about what you're saying on here as you're not comparing like for like with your conspiracies.

Degrading a broadband service to encourage people to switch to FTTP is simply crazy, its like Cadbury's intentionally making Mars bars taste like [censored] to encourage people to buy Snicker bars instead. Saying supermarkets close tills to encourage people to use self service doesn't degrade the products you are buying it simply changes the purchasing experience.

To add, I revert to my previous comments

I think a case can be made that OR are pushing up the cost of PSTN line rental and and do appear to be actively discouraging the use of copper based services in general. Whether VDSL hybrid fibre broadband only deals remain competitive (or are currently competitive?) with FTTP full fibre broadband only deals is certainly worthy of consideration particularly for a user who only needs downstream speeds of less than 100Mbps, requires a contract of no more than 12 months and is not concerned with keeping PSTN line rental.

However from a technical standpoint if FTTP is available, leaving aside any voice considerations, then a FTTP installation/activation would probably be a good move sooner rather than later if current contractual xDSL/PSTN obligations allow it. If a separate account is created for the FTTP product and the service successfully activated then any copper based product could subsequently be ceased. I think you may agree that would remove any concerns regarding the overall future, particularly stability, of copper based services?

The price lists for Openreach products are public, here's the SOGEA one:
https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/prici...

80/20 has gone up from £204.96 annually in 2019 to £217.08 in 2023, around 6%. 80/20 FTTP in the same time period has gone from £207.36 to £235.44 which is a 14% increase.

ISPs on the Openreach platform can see how sync rates are performing, if they had evidence of the FTTC service being degraded in areas where FTTP was available they would clean up in a lawsuit and Ofcom would destroy Openreach in the process. It's not happening.

Edited by jpm (Sun 14-May-23 19:07:48)

So would you encourage a user to migrate to a SOGEA product rather than a FTTP product if they required, for example, 80/20 and their Plusnet FTTC line rental/broadband contract was about to end?