In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I understand why they are doing it, and I realise that FTTP is cheaper to run. But then they should not be surprised if some customers who don't want to change go for a different provider.
the person i chatted to at plusnet said he could not offer me anything better on the FTTC package, and yet was a bit agitated when I said I would go to a provider who could do a better deal instead. he just went on about FTTP after i told him I did not want FTTP. so they are willing to lose a customer that have been with them for a few years.

FTTP is cheaper for providers because Openreach is making it cheaper for the providers, FTTC is there and if other providers can do it it at a better price, why can't Plusnet?

This is like supermarkets lowing their prices for people with loyalty cards, so people will get loyalty card,. Can't get people to change, so we will do something to make them think they are getting something better out of changing.

openreach like other fibre providers are realising that a lot of people don;t want to change as they are fine with they have, so now they are using underhand tatics by increasing the price of the older technology.

the problem is most over providers are pushing FTTp as well, the only one I see that are doing a good deal on FTTc is shell and Onestream. I still have at least 3 weeks to make up my mind what I am going to do, maybe plusnet will give me a better offer, but I am not holding my breath.


As I have said before I have nothing against FTTP, if it was already installed I would use it, but I just the hassle of having it installed and maybe cancelled appointments and that sort of thing.

I agree as FTTP are a mess - Openreach installation are nightmare worse than FTTC & G.fast installation without any issues.

If FTTP are available to me, I will REJECTED it. Stay with FTTC 80/20 as it more than enough for me but I do honest wish Openreach removed capped 79999/19999 to uncapped one so the line can go faster as my maximum line rate is 87945/27679 would be nice to have 87/27 rather than 79/19.

Edited by adslmax (Wed 17-May-23 12:39:35)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I agree as FTTP are a mess - Openreach installation are nightmare

You are aligning with Adrian on this matter, that says a lot.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I agree as FTTP are a mess - Openreach installation are nightmare worse than FTTC & G.fast installation without any issues.

When I was talking to my FTTP installer a few ago his biggest concern was the chance of a blocked underground duct. Fortunately the duct to my property was not blocked and he was able to feed the fibre cable from the street through to the CSP without any issues. Basically the installation went very well and in my case certainly not a mess nor a nightmare!

If the duct had been seriously blocked then there would have been a delay before a full installation could have been completed. He would have done interior work, i.e. fitting the ONT, during the initial visit and exterior work could have been done later without the need to enter the property.

In reply to a post by 4M2:

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I agree as FTTP are a mess - Openreach installation are nightmare worse than FTTC & G.fast installation without any issues.

When I was talking to my FTTP installer a few ago his biggest concern was the chance of a blocked underground duct. Fortunately the duct to my property was not blocked and he was able to feed the fibre cable from the street through to the CSP without any issues. Basically the installation went very well and in my case certainly not a mess nor a nightmare!

If the duct had been seriously blocked then there would have been a delay before a full installation could have been completed. He would have done interior work, i.e. fitting the ONT, during the initial visit and exterior work could have been done later without the need to enter the property.

Chance is you might get underground duct block at anytime. Its will take month to clear it up. That's why FTTP can get block anytime. Too risky

The underground duct also has the original BT copper pairs running through it. I guess those could be or could have been at a risk of a difficult repair also?

Edited by 4M2 (Wed 17-May-23 14:56:05)

FTTP get more block than the copper line

Well maybe electrons don't mind a sharp kink but photons do

What are you talking about

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

FTTP is cheaper for providers because Openreach is making it cheaper for the providers

I wouldn't want facts to spoil a good argument, but the pricing of 40/10 FTTC and FTTP is set by OFCOM, not Openreach.

The regulated pricing for 40/10 FTTP is actually £1.96+VAT per month *more* expensive than for FTTC. OFCOM allows this to reflect the increased value of FTTP to the customer (e.g. higher reliability, and stable line speeds which are not distance related)

References:
* FTTP pricing: 40/10 £193.04 per year, 80/20 £242.28 per year (in fact 115/20 is the same)
* FTTC (SOGEA) pricing: 40/10 £169.44 per year, 80/20 £238.80 per year

Therefore, if the ISPs are pushing FTTP, it's not because of the raw price but the indirect cost savings (fewer support calls, fewer complaints about low speeds, fewer engineer visits). Also, once someone is on FTTP it becomes easier to upsell higher speeds, which are much more profitable.

There are also the Equinox 1/2 offers, but that primarily affects the less regulated pricing of the higher speeds.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

FTTP get more block than the copper line

Do you understand what a blocked duct actually means as your post makes zero sense.