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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 22-Sep-13 13:51:15
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Re: Standalone Unlimited Fibre 2 is a reality


[re: 4M2] [link to this post]
 
That is what my take on what ofcom have said

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 22-Sep-13 14:13:42
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Re: Standalone Unlimited Fibre 2 is a reality


[re: 4M2] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by 4M2:
Does that mean in the future a migration from one FTTC provider to another FTTC provider will not require a 12 month minimum term with the new provider but a new FTTC provision will continue to have a 12 month minimum term?
This would seem to be a sensible and proportionate approach. Initial FTTC installation requires physical activity, so it seems reasonable to allow the imposition of a minimum period to allow for cost recovery. Migration from one FTTC ISP to another merely involves changing the configuration and updating the billing records, which is likely to be entirely automated in most cases.
Standard User 4M2
(knowledge is power) Sun 22-Sep-13 14:16:24
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Re: Standalone Unlimited Fibre 2 is a reality


[re: MrSaffron] [link to this post]
 
What happens with a new FTTC provision then: Openreach presumably charge an ISP and then those costs are passed on to an end user by the ISP in the form of an activation fee (where applicable) and covered by a proportion of the broadband costs paid over a 12 months period by the end user?


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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 22-Sep-13 14:29:30
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Re: Standalone Unlimited Fibre 2 is a reality


[re: 4M2] [link to this post]
 
The BT Openreach price lists for FTTx give details. End user ports have both a connection charge and a rental.

I haven't been following Ofcom's thinking, but I'd expect BT Openreach to argue that they need a 12 month minimum term on initial provision to recover the costs of installation and the expenditure required to make the port available for the end-user to subscribe to.
Standard User 4M2
(knowledge is power) Sun 22-Sep-13 14:50:16
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Re: Standalone Unlimited Fibre 2 is a reality


[re: deleted] [link to this post]
 
Thanks for the link smile

Looks like the connection is currently charged at £92 ex VAT by OR?

Think I'll wait and see if self install fibre and broadband only (no included line rental) is available on a 30 day minimum term before ordering a new provision.

ADSL2+ with a downstream throughput speed of 11Mbps is more than adequate for my needs at the moment smile
Standard User techguy
(experienced) Sun 22-Sep-13 15:50:45
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Re: Standalone Unlimited Fibre 2 is a reality


[re: 4M2] [link to this post]
 
Can this also be delivered over an FTTP connection as OR won't roll out FTTC here.

Virgin (ADSL) => Namesco => Newnet => O2 => Plusnet => Zen => Newnet => Zen => Freeola => Vivaciti (using O2 Wholesale DSL) => Xilo (C&W Wholesale) => Xilo (O2 Wholesale)
Router: Billion 7800N
Note: I don't lay turf for anyone. astro or otherwise, all views and opinions expressed are my own based on experience.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 22-Sep-13 15:58:40
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Re: Standalone Unlimited Fibre 2 is a reality


[re: techguy] [link to this post]
 
Technically yes. Need to speak to Zen.

40/10 and 80/20 products from openreach are same price no matter whether fttc or fttp

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User techguy
(experienced) Sun 22-Sep-13 16:46:44
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Re: Standalone Unlimited Fibre 2 is a reality


[re: MrSaffron] [link to this post]
 
The reason for my question is that a colleague had FTTP installed under trial conditions through Zen and was being charged in line with their FTTC tariff.

I was at the time a Zen customer (and still am for line rental) so asked sales whether the tariff would stay the same if I took it on and was told at the time the pricing structure was likely to be different but no detail could be provided at the time, I did not proceed with the order as really didn't want a nasty bill hike at some point after having coughed up the install fee and having the extra line plant installed.

However at the time they didn't have their own kit active in exchanges outside Greater Manchester and Yorkshire so presumably this now means it is being delivered via their own kit.

Virgin (ADSL) => Namesco => Newnet => O2 => Plusnet => Zen => Newnet => Zen => Freeola => Vivaciti (using O2 Wholesale DSL) => Xilo (C&W Wholesale) => Xilo (O2 Wholesale)
Router: Billion 7800N
Note: I don't lay turf for anyone. astro or otherwise, all views and opinions expressed are my own based on experience.
Standard User jez9999
(learned) Mon 23-Sep-13 11:22:39
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Re: RESOLVED AND ITS GOOD Re: Zen unlimited FTTC


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In reply to a post by AndrewW:
Just spoke to a very nice lady ad Zen, and there appears to be some misleading information about.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO MIGRATE YOUR LINE

Meh, not so much 'well done' as their website ("Fibre Optic Broadband & Phone Packages") is lying. And I'm not an existing Zen customer either so it's not much use to me if you have to be an existing customer.

=== Jez ===
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 23-Sep-13 11:33:34
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Re: RESOLVED AND ITS GOOD Re: Zen unlimited FTTC


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Not sure exactly what you mean by your first point. but i believe on your 2nd point this offer will be availble to new customers soon. Zen just wanted to offer existing customers the first oppertunity to take advantage of the offer.
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