Looks like either the router is randomly dropping packets or not responding,to the pingbox, weird, fault maybe?

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Looks like either the router is randomly dropping packets or not responding,to the pingbox, weird, fault maybe?

It's the same router I've had for a couple of years now (a Billion BiPAC 8800AXL R2). The only changes on my end are finally getting the noisy line fixed. Definitely a bit odd but at least it's working

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Looks like either the router is randomly dropping packets or not responding,to the pingbox, weird, fault maybe?

It's the same router I've had for a couple of years now (a Billion BiPAC 8800AXL R2). The only changes on my end are finally getting the noisy line fixed. Definitely a bit odd but at least it's working

It's not your kit Andrue. If you check my IDNet BTw graph with yours, I am mostly seeing spikes at exactly the same time as you.

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/...

I've posted a real time link as your's seems to be real time too.

Seeing the same spikes on an IDNet line in rural Northumberland.

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Looks like either the router is randomly dropping packets or not responding,to the pingbox, weird, fault maybe?

It's the same router I've had for a couple of years now (a Billion BiPAC 8800AXL R2). The only changes on my end are finally getting the noisy line fixed. Definitely a bit odd but at least it's working

I wonder if its some kind of session drop, on the PPPoE side, or load balancing ? i would favour the latter if you aren't seeing a break in connectivity they could be peering changes with tbb's network , i have 1 today on the tbbqm, but it isn't on the f8lure graphs,

Edited by tommy45 (Sun 08-Dec-19 01:19:36)

what would help diagnose this stuff is if TBB publicised individual data/speedtests so people could view and categorise by isp etc. but for some reason after many years of doing this they wont do it.

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I didn't notice any change in my service with Zen.
Just a thought. By the times on your graph and speed test it seemed to coincide with Amazon streaming tonight's Premier League games.

We have a winner. That produced record traffic levels on ISPs' networks and, hence, record levels on BT Wholesale's.

I'm not going into sources but I understand that Sky, TalkTalk and Virgin Media were okay, however BT Retail had some severe regional performance issues due to capacity issues with Wholesale.

Seems a super-duper, telemetry-driven, cloud-powered, software-defined *insert buzzwords here* network still needs adequate capacity overhead to manage exceptional events.

This doesn't really bode well for the future, either. Last night's Premier League coverage also triggered capacity issues.

The cheaper Openreach 550 and 1000 Mb products are coming online in March.

That'll be an experience for the Wholesale network when the next 150 GB+ triple A game is released and gamers, those folks likely to want the latest and greatest broadband to go with their latest and greatest rigs, start downloading en masse.

I wonder if we're seeing Wholesale's historic periodic capacity issues again or if they are gone for good?

ISPs and wholesale providers have a talent for monitoring individual ports but seem to have a blind spot for the lead times for installing new chassis and backhaul to feed them when they run out of ports on line cards then run out of line card slots for chassis.

Smart networks that can move traffic around are great but they only work if there's capacity available to move traffic on to. Past 2 night on BT Wholesale it looks as though there has not been - the Amazon streams are killing them.

Be interesting to see if it's a direct regional correlation between the area where the footy is likely to have been most popular, London-ish yesterday, Liverpool day before.

Looks like my choice of aaisp over zen was a good one, one of the reasons was I didnt want to go back to BTw as it always seemed to have some kind of capacity issue (no zen LLU on my exchange). AAISP also auto monitor for congestion related events, and there seems to be nearly always something on their status page for some part of the BTw network.

The fact that these amazon prime streams caused this is concerning, it suggests maybe not much excess capacity available. Did viewing numbers get released by amazon?

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We have a winner. That produced record traffic levels on ISPs' networks and, hence, record levels on BT Wholesale's.

I'm not going into sources but I understand that Sky, TalkTalk and Virgin Media were okay, however BT Retail had some severe regional performance issues due to capacity issues with Wholesale.

Seems a super-duper, telemetry-driven, cloud-powered, software-defined *insert buzzwords here* network still needs adequate capacity overhead to manage exceptional events.

This doesn't really bode well for the future, either. Last night's Premier League coverage also triggered capacity issues.

The cheaper Openreach 550 and 1000 Mb products are coming online in March.

That'll be an experience for the Wholesale network when the next 150 GB+ triple A game is released and gamers, those folks likely to want the latest and greatest broadband to go with their latest and greatest rigs, start downloading en masse.

I wonder if we're seeing Wholesale's historic periodic capacity issues again or if they are gone for good?

ISPs and wholesale providers have a talent for monitoring individual ports but seem to have a blind spot for the lead times for installing new chassis and backhaul to feed them when they run out of ports on line cards then run out of line card slots for chassis.

Smart networks that can move traffic around are great but they only work if there's capacity available to move traffic on to. Past 2 night on BT Wholesale it looks as though there has not been - the Amazon streams are killing them.

Be interesting to see if it's a direct regional correlation between the area where the footy is likely to have been most popular, London-ish yesterday, Liverpool day before.

Looks like my choice of aaisp over zen was a good one, one of the reasons was I didnt want to go back to BTw as it always seemed to have some kind of capacity issue (no zen LLU on my exchange). AAISP also auto monitor for congestion related events, and there seems to be nearly always something on their status page for some part of the BTw network.

The fact that these amazon prime streams caused this is concerning, it suggests maybe not much excess capacity available. Did viewing numbers get released by amazon?

They seem to let svlans run at near capacity,with little or no redundancy no wonder why they are in no rush to roll out FTTP

Hi all im with idnet too and been getting packet loss for 4 days now, idnet did say there was issues with network 2 days ago and now it says its been fixed yet im still getting red spikes

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I just found this though not much help now https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2019/12/custom...