I want to be Btinternet not Openworld

I've had BT since the days of the 'frog' modem and I've always been @btopenworld, even though @btinternet email reaches me OK too. Trouble is that I can't send emails as @btinternet. How can I configure my account so as to be free of Openworld once and for all?

Probably no way. But you could have infinitenicks@geoffnet.co.uk or geoffnet.me.uk for under £2pm.

Use a email client; you can use any sending addy.

Not if the server enforces a specific from address or from domain - some ISPs do.

Matt

True, but does BT?

Those that block other port 25 SMTPs tend to allow any From addy, because they prevent use of those From addys thro' their native SMTPs.

Orange certainly does. I wonder who now provides Orange's mail servers? Could it now be BT?

I think BT used to, at least on one service they offered.

Orange also used to block any other SMTP servers. I can't recall if it was just a port close, or if they redirected back to their own SMTP servers.

BT's mail is largely on Yahoo's infrastructure now.. Orange's still seem to point to the old freeserve platform.

Matt

In reply to a post by uno:

Orange also used to block any other SMTP servers. I can't recall if it was just a port close, or if they redirected back to their own SMTP servers.

That's what I said! Orange always and still block all foreign port 25s; there's no redirection.

In reply to a post by uno:

Orange's still seem to point to the old freeserve platform.

That's just domain naming, not necessarily any particular platform. They also still use the Wanadoo & Orangehome domains, interchangeably. The Q is where are they hosted?

If you're being specific.... for now..

inetnum: 193.252.22.128 - 193.252.22.159
netname: MAIL-ESSENTIALS-ORANGE-UK
descr: Mail Essentials Project
country: FR
admin-c: TDMT1-RIPE
tech-c: TDMT1-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PA
remarks: for hacking, spamming or security problems send mail to [email protected]
mnt-by: FT-BRX
source: RIPE # Filtered

role: Technical Delivery Manager Team
address: France Telecom NCPI/DPS/MVU
address: Batiment Equinoxe
address: 4 avenue du 8 mai 1945
address: 78284 Guyancourt Cedex
phone: +33 1 58 88 54 86
admin-c: TDMT1-RIPE
tech-c: TDMT1-RIPE
nic-hdl: TDMT1-RIPE
mnt-by: FT-BRX
source: RIPE # Filtered

What's that? It's just a domain registration. It doesn't tell you where it's hosted.

That's where the MX record is hosted, i.e where the mail goes.

The domain does tell you this and is not "just a domain registration".

Matt

if you are already using an email client, try sending as @btinternet (should just work! )

else you have to login via mail.yahoo.com
and then you can select the names you want to be able to send from

Thanks. I tend to use the Yahoo! web page so I might try fiddling with the settings. Do you have more specific instructions?

Ah, I see! So, despite Orange UK handing off its BB to BTw, its email is still dealt with by France Telecom. Interesting to know.

Start from here: http://diagnostics.bt.com/wf/Start.do?workflow=Email . I can't.

I, very occasionally, use BTInternet.com and have the standard port and server setting in my email client. Emails go as @btinternet.com and replies come in without problems.

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

Use a email client; you can use any sending addy.

I got half way through saying similar, then it occurred to me it isn't the server bothering him, it's his email address, e.g. [email protected].

I don't see that [email protected] in the email and reply addresses sent via any SMTP server will do - or will it?
_{Edit - typos.}

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 02-Dec-12 15:47:57)

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

It's just a domain registration.

Er, no, its the WHOIS for the IP range. Nothing to do with domains.

As others have said, register a domain and use a good host (you can always switch domain registrars and hosts if you need) but it frees you from being dependent on an ISP or their whims about changing their name, best thing I ever did.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

it occurred to me it isn't the server bothering him, it's his email address, e.g. [email protected].

Sorry, don't get you! Wasn't talking about servers but about sending email (& reply if you like) addys. He can use [email protected] as he wishes or anything else under the sun.

I presume his problem is that BT (or whatever proxies for it) Webmail prevents him from sending as the newer @btinternet and auto sends as the older original @btopenworld. Hence my suggestion of using a mail client.

Nobody has previously suggested that, probably cuz it doesn't address his Q.

You are the first and unique

In reply to a post by GeoffB:

Thanks. I tend to use the Yahoo! web page so I might try fiddling with the settings. Do you have more specific instructions?

Login to your Yahoo email using your btinternet address.

through the yahoo mail classic menus:
log in,
select mail options/ accounts, new account,
enter your new details

it should then send a confirmation message, to prove that you can receive on that address
follow the confirmation
the you should be able to send as that alternate address. (by pull down list on the from field on new message, might even be able to make that the default)

-don't know the procedure under latest version of yahoo website

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

I presume his problem is that BT (or whatever proxies for it) Webmail prevents him from sending as the newer @btinternet and auto sends as the older original @btopenworld. Hence my suggestion of using a mail client.

I'm not sure @btinternet is newer - as that was given to people using dialup in 2002, when ADSL users had @btopenworld. It shows how BT has had about 6 or 7 domains used for retail email in the 10 years and still haven't standardised on a single one. Its not as if it gives them more aliases either due to the setup!!

The original poster should either ask BT support, or think about moving to a non-ISP email account just in case they want to move ISP in the future.

Is what is being said here that anyone with the allocated email address of anick@btopenworld.com also has anick@btinternet.com, and maybe a few other "@btdomains? Just that BT don't tell punters this?

I find that ridiculous, but so many of you seem to be saying it is true.
_{Edit - correction of typo (thanks IanBB), which was a correction in the first place from repeating btopenworld .}

Edited by RobertoS (Mon 03-Dec-12 08:53:33)

Ah, I inferred that from OP. OK, read "old"/"new" as "original"/"unoriginal"

Seems like it!

Prompted me to see if it is true with Orange's many email domains but it isn't

Edited by XRaySpeX (Mon 03-Dec-12 00:16:16)

"isn't"?

Knew but cba then!

"or if they redirected back to their own SMTP servers."

It was done that way back when it was Freeserve, and they gave the server that handled such mail quite low priority if it needed fixing. I've used external services, such as FastMail.net (which allows users to send on any port, with authentication, so can be used on a company LAN as port 80 is rarely blocked!).

Other than that benefit (from a paid-for service), I'd always suggest someone get themself a free mail address from anyone but their ISP (whether it be GMail, Hotmail or some other) so they have the option of switching ISP without the headache of re-registering with websites where they have accounts.

Also, if you don't like junk mail, then using spamgourmet.com can 'hide' your real mail address from websites you register with, and if they ever change hands, or get hacked, you can quickly set spamgourmet to eat everything sent to that address. Also, if you use unique addresses, one per website, then if they sell their mail list at any point, you know exactly which website was the culprit.

In reply to a post by ultra:

Also, if you use unique addresses, one per website, then if they sell their mail list at any point, you know exactly which website was the culprit.

You can do, & I do, that with Orange email addys, which are of the form [email protected] .

Also Orange email addys persist after you leave as long as you reactivate them online about every 7 months.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Is what is being said here that anyone with the allocated email address of anick@btopenworld.com also has anick@internet.com, and maybe a few other "@btdomains? Just that BT don't tell punters this?

I find that ridiculous, but so many of you seem to be saying it is true.

Presumably you meant nick@btinternet.com!

I can also confirm it as true as the btinternet (sure that came 1st) and btopenworld domains work quite happily for my "nick"

No, Openworld came first. I can receive from both but send only from Openworld via the web interface. I'll try some of the suggestions here - many thanks. Anyone from BT Care here to give any guidance?

BT Internet was the first, for dial-up. BT Openworld came along later when they started ADSL.

I was referring to the email address @btinternet. When I joined BT I was given @btopenworld and friends who joined up later got @btinternet.

So was I. As far as I remember, the @btinternet was first and they added the alternative @btopenworld later. The intention was to migrate over to @btopenworld but few did and so they decided not to. The current confusion has remained.

Thanks Ian - typo corrected.

Also I think btinternet came first, I has it on ADSL fixed 512kbps at my office when that was the fastest available.