BT Mail sign in page

Looks like the new BT Mail sign in page is live (finally):

https://signin1.bt.com/login/emailloginform

It redirects to BT webmail or BT Yahoo webmail after log in, depending on which platform the mailbox is on.

Hmm typing tracert smtp.btinternet.com no longer goes to yahoo either

Tracing route to smtp.btinternet.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk [65.20.0.70]

As far as I know, the official address for smtp and pop3 is mail.btinternet.com - perhaps smtp.btinternet.com is being used for testing.

Other servers probably used for testing are: pop3.btinternet.com, pop.btinternet.com and imap.btinternet.com (all aliases of mailbox.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk)

They throw up a certificate warning when attempting to use them, due to them using self-signed certificates. Quite surprising for them to do this with domain names which might commonly be "guessed" as mail settings by BT users.

Edited by Oliver341 (Mon 16-Sep-13 23:09:34)

CP is now the preferred mail exchanger for btinternet.com (again)

btinternet.com MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = mx-bt.mail.am0.yahoodns.net
btinternet.com MX preference = 1, mail exchanger = mx.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk

Also, a CP server is now being returned as one of the addresses for mail.btinternet.com

Name: mail.btinternet.com
Address: 65.20.0.43

So it looks like BT are dipping their toes in the CP water once again.

If you do happen to resolve mail.btinternet.com to 65.20.0.43 (or you force it via the as-yet unofficial server smtp.btinternet.com) then no check is made to validate the "from" address is actually yours and you can send "from" any address you choose. Perhaps this is to be the new intended behaviour.

Edited by Oliver341 (Wed 18-Sep-13 15:35:05)

An unfortunate downside of this is that since CP is mail forwarding BT mail to Yahoo, SPF is currently being broken by BT's setup and incoming mail is more likely to be incorrectly flagged as spam.

The final BT Mail isn't finished yet. I'm one of trialists testing the system the test I'm on is due to finish on 14/10

Edited by captain666 (Mon 07-Oct-13 18:25:11)

In reply to a post by captain666:

The final BT Mail isn't finished yet. I'm one of trialists testing the system the test I'm on is due to finish on 14/10

Thanks for the feedback.

I would have thought they could trial the system without breaking SPF due to mail forwarding, though.

For me it redirects to an error message. Still have to go to BT Yahoo mail page manually.

In reply to a post by gomezz:

For me it redirects to an error message. Still have to go to BT Yahoo mail page manually.

Hasn't the BT Yahoo page been disabled? http://bt.yahoo.com/

Still works for me.

In reply to a post by gomezz:

Still works for me.

I see this: http://oi40.tinypic.com/2rmlhxj.jpg

The only option it gives is to go to http://home.bt.com/

Edit: I use Firefox, when I tried IE it took me to BT Yahoo. So it looks like different browsers see different things.

Edited by Oliver341 (Tue 08-Oct-13 00:27:31)

The trial I'm working on is based on the idea of what would someone new to the service want/expect. This involves

Send and receive email -
Set up folders
Add and manage contacts
Create events and calendars
Personalise everything on settings
Create new mailboxes for yourself or give them away to friends and family.
Access email directly through your preferred email programme like Outlook , Thunderbird or Apple Mail, either on your laptop or Smartphone� follow your email programmes instructions or visit www.bt.com/help if you need help.

The basic idea of the trial is to see if a new customer would get p****d of if the above doesn't work.

In reply to a post by captain666:

The basic idea of the trial is to see if a new customer would get p****d of if the above doesn't work.

I think I could tell them the answer to that even without a trial.

In reply to a post by Oliver341:

In reply to a post by captain666:

The basic idea of the trial is to see if a new customer would get p****d of if the above doesn't work.

I think I could tell them the answer to that even without a trial.

Actually I've found out that there's not been to many issues (a couple just down to me not fully reading an email - idiot). Just a couple of issues using some wifi connections in actually getting to the webpage

In reply to a post by captain666:

Actually I've found out that there's not been to many issues (a couple just down to me not fully reading an email - idiot). Just a couple of issues using some wifi connections in actually getting to the webpage

Good to know. Perhaps now they will roll it out before 2015.

I can't see how to stay logged in if I navigate away from the BT mail page. With Yahoo, it just prompted me to re-enter my password, but if I use the BT page I seem to have to enter everything again.

In reply to a post by GeoffB:

I can't see how to stay logged in if I navigate away from the BT mail page. With Yahoo, it just prompted me to re-enter my password, but if I use the BT page I seem to have to enter everything again.

Yeah, the Email link on bt.com seems not to check if you are already logged in.

I suppose the best advice is to bookmark and use https://uk-mg-bt.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch until it stops working.

In reply to a post by Oliver341:

In reply to a post by GeoffB:

I can't see how to stay logged in if I navigate away from the BT mail page. With Yahoo, it just prompted me to re-enter my password, but if I use the BT page I seem to have to enter everything again.

Yeah, the Email link on bt.com seems not to check if you are already logged in.

I suppose the best advice is to bookmark and use https://uk-mg-bt.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch until it stops working.

It's still log in via the bt/yahoo website. The link via the BT website/account isn't live yet. This is what I'm testing

Nope. When I do that I'm told I have to log in via bt.com. All attempts to use the BTYahoo page are re-directed to bt.com. And the email link on the bt.com page certainly is live - I've used it three times today!

In reply to a post by GeoffB:

Nope. When I do that I'm told I have to log in via bt.com. All attempts to use the BTYahoo page are re-directed to bt.com. And the email link on the bt.com page certainly is live - I've used it three times today!

Just before I posted my comments I did log in via the Yahoo website and there wasn't any issues with my personal log in. I'll log it as an issue

In reply to a post by captain666:

Just before I posted my comments I did log in via the Yahoo website and there wasn't any issues with my personal log in. I'll log it as an issue

I think the problem is that every visit to this page requires a log-in, even when already logged in: https://signin1.bt.com/login/emailloginform

When BT Mail webmail is live though, there may be other bookmarks which work better. As it is, the BT Yahoo link I posted earlier works as required.

Now it's gone back to normal - I can log in on the BTYahoo page or on bt.com.

The trial is now complete. I've attached some info from the email I received from BT which gives some indications of what happens next.

So, what�s next for BT Mail?
As we said earlier we are now moving into the pilot phase and offering the new BT Mail product to our new customers when they sign-up to BT Broadband. Our new customers will also be able to opt-into BT Mail at an alternative time if they wish. The volumes will increase over the coming weeks and towards the end of the year we will begin the migration of our existing customers onto the new BT Mail product. Your access will not be affected and we�ll keep you informed about the changes and when they will happen.

Hope this helps