In reply to a post by ian72:

Light fitting - yes, and have done. Light switch - no, and never would. The light fitting if the switch is working will not have live current. The light switch however does have live current and will give you a very nasty jolt.

Depends what you mean by the light fitting, The ceiling rose can be a junction box containing the L+N+E feed in, the L+N+E feed out, the LL to switch, as well as the L+N drop wires to the bulb holder.

I don't think I'd change a ceiling rose without switching off the circuit - and checking all the wires in the rose were dead.

In reply to a post by ian72:

Light fitting - yes, and have done. Light switch - no, and never would. The light fitting if the switch is working will not have live current. The light switch however does have live current and will give you a very nasty jolt.

THAT IS A DANGEROUS AND INCORRECT STATEMENT.

A light fitting may very well have an unswitched live. UK standards normally have the live fed to the fitting or junction box supplying the fitting and then a live feed to a switch which returns a switched live.

Just as I said in my email reply to Ian72, though not perhaps so emphatically.

Lights controlled by two switches, such as landing lights, being interesting.

Interesting, wasn't the case with the ones I have done. I do normally cut the power to the lighting circuit but the latest one I didn't and didn't have any need to. Obviously, you should check if there is a live feed first by using appropriate tools and I take no responsbility for anyone else who plays with electrics without taking the correct precautions.

In reply to a post by ian72:

Interesting, wasn't the case with the ones I have done. I do normally cut the power to the lighting circuit but the latest one I didn't and didn't have any need to. Obviously, you should check if there is a live feed first by using appropriate tools and I take no responsbility for anyone else who plays with electrics without taking the correct precautions.

Maybe you should consider whether to make dangerous statements on a subject yiou are not qualified or fully experienced in.

In reply to a post by MHC:

In reply to a post by ian72:

Interesting, wasn't the case with the ones I have done. I do normally cut the power to the lighting circuit but the latest one I didn't and didn't have any need to. Obviously, you should check if there is a live feed first by using appropriate tools and I take no responsbility for anyone else who plays with electrics without taking the correct precautions.

Maybe you should consider whether to make dangerous statements on a subject yiou are not qualified or fully experienced in.

Maybe anyone reading forums also has to assume it is a comment based on a persons current experience and people are not presenting themselves as experts in the field - but luckily other people are on forums to point out any mistakes. Shame we aren't all perfect.

In reply to a post by ian72:

based on a persons current experience

Is that ohms or raisins?

it is a comment based on a persons current experience

Or avoidance of such, one hopes.

Hmm, not a particularly polite comment to Bob - who's trying to be helpful. If you're not a "noob" and you think you know what you're doing, then why ask what you did? Anyone who's not a "noob" should be fully aware that anything before the master socket - test point - is BT's liability: this negates the point of your question and your ramblings. Bob, Andrew and many others here try to help: your overdefensive indignation is pretty poor, I think.