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Standard User rbz5416
(newbie) Tue 07-Jan-14 19:12:55
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Anyone Migrated to BT Copper From Another ISP?


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I like to hear from anyone who has. What was your line speed prior to & post migration?
Standard User awontroba
(newbie) Wed 08-Jan-14 00:47:42
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I moved from BE Pro ADSL2 to BT Business ADSL2. Much more expensive, but I am not going back to Sky. Ever.
Download sync much the same (very good as I am on a short Exchange Only line).
Download throughput slightly better.
Upload sync and download as good as can be expected for non-Annex M (8-(

BE TBB speedtest:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

BT TBB speedtest:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

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Standard User rbz5416
(newbie) Wed 08-Jan-14 07:25:50
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Thanks.


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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Wed 08-Jan-14 09:08:20
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I changed from O2 to BT early last year.

I didn't record the specific details, at the time, but my speeds were nominally increased after the change-over.

NB:- if it is relevant, I'm fairly close to the Exchange & get approx 19M d/l.
Standard User rbz5416
(newbie) Wed 08-Jan-14 09:43:51
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Thanks.

I'm on a long line & currently getting 4Mbs from Zen. My concern is that BT only estimate 1-3Mbs & I know from experience that if only the lower figure is provided, BT consider that as acceptable. So it seems to require a leap of faith to commit to a 12 month contract when I could potentially lose 75% of my speed with no redress. That's why I'm looking for real world experience of migration.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Wed 08-Jan-14 12:19:13
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You should do a Quiet Line Test, to ensure that your PHONE line itself is in good condition.

As you can do the QLT at no cost and in your own time, it is well worth dong before deciding on any change of ISP etc.

And it will also benefit FTTC/VDSL etc as well.

Also you should do a QLT about every year or shorter, particularly during and after spells of bad weather' and that you have a long line which is likely to be more susceptible to related problems.

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 08-Jan-14 12:28:32
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Agreed, QLT is essential to test, but:
In reply to a post by eckiedoo:
As you can do the QLT at no cost
except the price of a cheap corded handset, which many seem to unwisely believe they can do without.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
Standard User flippery
(committed) Wed 08-Jan-14 16:39:14
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In reply to a post by rbz5416:
I like to hear from anyone who has. What was your line speed prior to & post migration?

I moved from Eclipse to BT.
Using Homehub 4 my speed has reduced from 12M to 10.5M download and 1.2M to 1M upload on 32dB downstream attenuation.
I believe this is down to the HH4 reserving part of bandwidth for Wifi hotspot use.
However, I was having stability problems with Eclipse, I have no problems with stability now. At my speeds the difference is outweighed by stability ( No more " this page cannot be displayed" )
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Wed 08-Jan-14 16:44:26
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In reply to a post by flippery:
I believe this is down to the HH4 reserving part of bandwidth for Wifi hotspot use.



It does not reserve anything for WiFi hotspot use. It is used "on-demand" up to a maximum level. There may be a few "keep alive" and management packets used but that is all.


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Standard User flippery
(committed) Wed 08-Jan-14 17:07:47
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In reply to a post by MHC:
In reply to a post by flippery:
I believe this is down to the HH4 reserving part of bandwidth for Wifi hotspot use.



It does not reserve anything for WiFi hotspot use. It is used "on-demand" up to a maximum level. There may be a few "keep alive" and management packets used but that is all.


This could be true but as my Belkin Surf will give 12M down and 1.2M Up but I believe, maybe wrongly, this negates Wifi hotspot use.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 08-Jan-14 17:22:43
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Easy! Disable the HH4 wifi.

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Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

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Standard User flippery
(committed) Wed 08-Jan-14 18:17:14
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
Easy! Disable the HH4 wifi.


This is not the wifi on my SSID. But separate isolated Wifi and Wifi with Fon. in a separate part of of the HH4. I could opt out of this, but as I use the the wifi of other owners of HH4 whilst out and about, I am happy to use HH4
My belief was that as the HH4 has two separate independent areas for broadband, my sync speed is lowered to accommodate this.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 08-Jan-14 19:38:29
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In reply to a post by flippery:
My belief was that as the HH4 has two separate independent areas for broadband, my sync speed is lowered to accommodate this.

No, your sync speed doesn't change. Your highest speed when using the internet will be reduced a bit when someone is actively using the BT-Wifi / FON part.

BT use a VPN tunnel to keep the BT-Wifi / FON traffic away from yours, this ensures you as the BT customer are not responsible for what other users do (ie, their internet use doesn't come from your IP).

James BT Infinity 2 19/09/2012 - Sold 42/6 - Getting 49/8.5 - Sync 53 / 9.5 Mbps @ 470m approx
14 years of broadband (ntl: cable to BT FTTC) - Router: Asus RT-N66U - Modem: Huawei HG612 speedtest
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Wed 08-Jan-14 19:49:34
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Agreed that a simple, corded handset is the best to carry out the QLT.

But I suggest that the essentially corded base unit with in-built phone facilities, of an otherwise "cordless" phone set would be a reasonable substitute in this era; and even a cordless hand-set would help to pick up about 90% of QLT revelations.

For example, such (semi-) cordless devices should help show a clear distinction if any of the Noise is generated in the Internal Wiring directly by Poor Connections etc and also Induced Noises such as from Plasma TVs, compared to the External wiring beyond the NTE.

Fortunately my collection of i-service phones covers that range of types, with the exception of truly "ancient" types with carbon mikes and powered by the 24V DC from the Exchange.

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On a slightly different aspect, I suggest that we ask Andrew, aka Mr Saffron, to include Notes on QLT under "Tools" or even at the higher, more obvious, level of "thinkbroadband", the latter to get the attention of any "newbies"; and to show that it is of considerable importance to have a "Quiet Line" for any level of phone-line -delivered Broadband, and also even Dial-Up.

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 08-Jan-14 21:26:48
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Of course! Just trying to keep costs down for those who mistakenly believe that the phone line is an unnecessary appendage for other than carrying broadband.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 09-Jan-14 00:11:54
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Mine actually went down.

Migrated from Be to BT.

Had 7mb line with Be.... Have a 4.6 - 5.5mb line with BT.... Same line, same sockets!
Standard User rbz5416
(newbie) Thu 09-Jan-14 08:38:29
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That's exactly the kind of thing that worries me...
Standard User greenglide
(experienced) Thu 09-Jan-14 11:44:44
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Presumably a move from ADSL2+ to plain ADSL Max.

A move retaining ADSL2+ should be much more painless.

BT Infinity 2 - IP profile 77 / 20 - super fast!
Previously BE Unlimited - 21,000 Download 1,200 Upload but then moved house - 6,500 Down, 1Mb/s up - gutted!
Ex <n>ildram , been to SKY MAX - 15,225 Download
Standard User rbz5416
(newbie) Thu 09-Jan-14 11:55:58
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Actually that's a very good point that I forgotten about. It should be a straight switch to ADSL2+ but I now remember that BT refused to enable 2+ on my neighbours line.
Standard User wolvesmad
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 09-Jan-14 12:16:21
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Moved from Xilo 21CN to BT Broadband 21CN and at first they did not put me on an ADSL2+ profile, due to my line being long.

I put a thread on the official BT Broadband forum and they responded asking for details etc. A week later I was back on an ADSL2+ profile running at the same speed as Xilo.

No issues with pings, reliabillity, download speeds. I'm getting bang on what I should be.

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