New firmware for HH5A

Sorry if this has been posted before but I was just looking at the Boot Log of my HH5A and noticed a firmware update on 23rd February.

Previous firmware 4.7.5.1.83.8.204.1.11 (Type A)

New firmware 4.7.5.1.83.8.222.1.1 (Type A)

Anyone else noticed this?

Still doesn't support G.INP

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Still doesn't support G.INP

True. However that doesn't concern me as after the cabinet I'm connected to was G.INP enabled I suffered a drop in speeds.After a post on the BT forum about this BT contacted me asking if I would take part in a trial. I agreed and within 3 days my speed was back up to what it was before.

Currently my average down speed is 74 Mbps and upload 18 Mbps, so I really can't complain.

Yeah, that sounds like G.INP on an unsupported modem alright.

In reply to a post by DooGie:

Sorry if this has been posted before but I was just looking at the Boot Log of my HH5A and noticed a firmware update on 23rd February.

Previous firmware 4.7.5.1.83.8.204.1.11 (Type A)

New firmware 4.7.5.1.83.8.222.1.1 (Type A)

Anyone else noticed this?

Anything obviously different DooGie?

In reply to a post by Alnath:

In reply to a post by DooGie:

Sorry if this has been posted before but I was just looking at the Boot Log of my HH5A and noticed a firmware update on 23rd February.

Previous firmware 4.7.5.1.83.8.204.1.11 (Type A)

New firmware 4.7.5.1.83.8.222.1.1 (Type A)

Anyone else noticed this?

Anything obviously different DooGie?

Not noticed any difference at all.

I'm just pleased it hasn't messed anything up

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Still doesn't support G.INP

Opinion stated as fact yet again by this poster.

Correct facts:
Not known/proven to fully support G.INP
Generally believed / accepted not to support upstream G.INP
May support downstream G.INP

My own experience suggests that it does support downstream G.INP but the evidence is empirical so I am not stating this as known fact.

Edited by deleted (Fri 18-Mar-16 11:39:01)

Yes, agreed....

Not quiet sure why the obsession with stating G.INP isn't supported on this device or the even implying that BT's equipment is compliant with SIN 498 which if unfamiliar requires CP Equipment to be complient with 'Downstream' G.INP but remains optional on Upstream...

In reply to a post by Al1264:

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Still doesn't support G.INP

Opinion stated as fact yet again by this poster.

Correct facts:
Not known/proven to fully support G.INP
Generally believed / accepted not to support upstream G.INP
May support downstream G.INP

My own experience suggests that it does support downstream G.INP but the evidence is empirical so I am not stating this as known fact.

Well you can prove it for yourself as it says in my sig:

Use the Ginp Formula to determine if your vdsl2 connection is with or without G.INP.
Divide your IP Profile by your Sync Speed and the answer is 0.9669 (with) or 0.9679 (without)

You have proven in the past that your HH5A does not support G.INP on your line. Others seem to have evidence that their HH5A does support G.INP on their line.

I'd be happy to see that evidence

As it says in my sig, prove it to yourself.

I can't - I don't use an HH5A and never said I did... But, others have posted what they believe is strong proof in the past. If just one person came on here and said theirs did would you believe it?

Bung us your postcode and I'll bring one over to prove it to you

LOL. I have to say I did try the check with my Billion but I didn't have much time when I did it and the BT IP Profile I got back was only correct to 2 dec places of a Megabit and so wasn't accurate enough - must have taken the wrong option on the BT tester somewhere.

This is the easiest way to get your IP Profile
https://windows.mouselike.org/be/index.asp?DoAction=...
I get The current Downstream BRAS rate is: 73.62 Mbps, so I round it up to 73620 which works in the Ginp formula.

OK, will give that a try later.

In reply to a post by DooGie:

In reply to a post by Alnath:

In reply to a post by DooGie:

Sorry if this has been posted before but I was just looking at the Boot Log of my HH5A and noticed a firmware update on 23rd February.

Previous firmware 4.7.5.1.83.8.204.1.11 (Type A)

New firmware 4.7.5.1.83.8.222.1.1 (Type A)

Anyone else noticed this?

Anything obviously different DooGie?

Not noticed any difference at all.

I'm just pleased it hasn't messed anything up

Aye thats enough i guess lol

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

Yes, agreed....

Not quiet sure why the obsession with stating G.INP isn't supported on this device or the even implying that BT's equipment is compliant with SIN 498 which if unfamiliar requires CP Equipment to be complient with 'Downstream' G.INP but remains optional on Upstream...

Perhaps because discussions of G.INP on the HH5A and ECI modems have been banned on the BT-Sponsored forums presumably because they have something to hide.

Edited by deleted (Fri 18-Mar-16 20:15:42)

Had this a while now, as was triialing it, think it was Dec/Jan it was updated.

It seemed to improve wireless a lot for myself

So, according to the formula it seems my line isn't using G.INP. The stats on the 8800AXL have in the past had numbers under INP but looking at it now it is 0.00 so it appears the G.INP has turned itself off for some reason - and the connection is about as good as it has ever been but at 48138 down and 16112 up with a latency of about 9ms.

Not a lot of point in testing the HH5A at the moment as it looks like DLM has decided my line doesn't need G.INP.

EDIT : missed an "n't" in the first sentence... Sorry

Edited by ian72 (Fri 18-Mar-16 17:32:55)

So the formula says G.INP is on?

No, formula says it is off.

Ok, off it is

Sorry, edited as missed 2 key letters and an apostrophe...

Checked, HH5A - not got G.INP based on formula.

Edited by ukhardy07 (Fri 18-Mar-16 22:04:55)

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Perhaps because discussions of G.INP on the HH5A and ECI modems have been banned on the BT-Sponsored forums presumably because they have something to hide.

Hmm, yet another bold statement lacking any supporting evidence... also quiet a strong acusation to be making about BT and also other 3rd parties...

Once again, I have all the evidence I need

Once again, you've still failed to share any of this evidence with us.

"Us"? Who is this "us" you are part of?

I have already advised people how to check for G.INP on their own connection. You can do it yourself, what more do you need?

Just because G.INP isn't active on a line don't mean the CPE doesn't support it.

As mentioned earlier, someone with capable equipment had G.INP removed from the line... also I mentioned before that lines that have Interleaving applied to them seem to not get G.INP until a reset of the line is done...

More results have been posted. I haven't seen one person showing G.INP on the HH5A.

I saw this

In reference to forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,17195.0.html:

Yes, I would have thought the ECI modems and HH5A would have received a firmware update to support G.INP in both directions. But it appears that this did not happen, and no-one knows why not. OpenWRT running on either of those devices can do it, so I think it isn't a hardware limitation.

Right, that doesn't say that currently the devices 'don't' support G.INP 'downstream' just says that there current 'stock firmware' doesn't support it in both directions and that using 3rd party firmware it can.

So are you saying theres a big conspiracy or that BT Groups folks are as stupid as many online make out and they can't figure out how to activate/implement the correct specifications.

AFAIC I ca understand the ECI modem not being made capable due to ECI probably not giving a rats ass (they got paid right) but the HH5a is where BT will & have been working hard with frequent firmware updates and trials (it seems) too.

Now I will make a note of your furmula and put it to the test, I may pop on ebay and purchase an ECI & HH5a to test on my connection which currently my HG612 reports as being G.INP enabled (downstream only)

Yes.

Don't get me wrong, I would be very happy to see G.INP on the ECI modem and the HH5A. I would also be very happy to see upstream G.INP on my connection again too

I would rather them apply the same level of error correctiom to both sides of the connection...

While G.INP adds error correction without the rise in latency in a direction, it does still cause a delay which cna disadvantage a few when playing very time sensitve games online...

It's amazing how much difference a fraction of a second can make to the outcome of a meeting with an enemy in a shooter... it seems to me they see me before I see them due to the my upstream being fast path and my downstream currently having an interleave depth of 8 (albeit G.INP)...

It was a depth of 16 until 2 weeks ago and I saw a slight improvement in my gamingwhen it dropped but obviously it seems that ADSL is still the best for gaming due to its many profile settings.

My alternative, which seems likely my next move after falling out with my xbox is to move to slightly lesser time sensitive games.

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

... also I mentioned before that lines that have Interleaving applied to them seem to not get G.INP until a reset of the line is done...

That's not correct, unless your use of the word "reset" is not the normally understood one. The first sign most people have had that G.INP had been activated on their line is that DLM removes interleaving and their sync rises several Mbps.

by reset I mean so the line is reset back to fast path and then when errors arise it then puts the line on to a G.INP profile...

It's seems that once a line has a an interleaved profile in place it won't swap it unless any further errors occur...

When G.INP was first rolled out lines on the cabinet enabled would have there profiles reset ( or manually set perhaps ) to take advantage of G.INP.

No, it's far more dynamic now. For example http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/bt/t/4471390-re-new...

Whats the link supposed to prove??

That G.INP is more dynamic than your description of it.

It does no such thing... it's just a generic comment...

This is nonsense

It's seems that once a line has a an interleaved profile in place it won't swap it unless any further errors occur...

I have already posted proof.

No you haven't posted any proof... your the only user here posting nonsense.

I think my HH5a must have had G.INP enabled downstream even though the formula says it's not.

On Sunday before my HH5a re-synced the maximum sync rate it ever managed was 60Mb or 55Mb on my HG612. Then after the re-sync the HH5a synced at 65Mb. For interest I swapped the HH5a out and installed the HG612... it now syncs at 61Mb and reports that G.INP is enabled.

For me that's enough to suggest to me that my HH5a is capable of G.INP on downstream.

Lol

Does the furmula work when your HG612 reports G.INP???

Not that I would take the formula as the definite indicator of G.INP... there could be a difference to G.INP on non Broadcom chipped devices that lead to different outcomes for the furmula.

In reply to a post by timl:

I think my HH5a must have had G.INP enabled downstream even though the formula says it's not.

On Sunday before my HH5a re-synced the maximum sync rate it ever managed was 60Mb or 55Mb on my HG612. Then after the re-sync the HH5a synced at 65Mb. For interest I swapped the HH5a out and installed the HG612... it now syncs at 61Mb and reports that G.INP is enabled.

For me that's enough to suggest to me that my HH5a is capable of G.INP on downstream.

My max attainable download went up by 6Mbit on my Type A the other week but my max upload went down by nearly 5Mbit at the same time. My sync speed is also a Mbit or so slower now which is all very odd.

PD

Edited by deleted (Wed 23-Mar-16 22:15:59)

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

PD

Excellent, thanks for that, its made our lives much better.

Use the Ginp Formula to determine if your vdsl2 connection is with or without G.INP.
Divide your IP Profile by your Sync Speed and the answer is 0.9669 (with) or 0.9679 (without)

I'm using a different modem (TP Link Archer VR900) and get

Downstream : 32410/35000 = 0.926
Upstream sync is 6077 but of course the profile is 10000

How would I verify if I have G.INP in either direction (the router should "support" it but as to whether down or both ways I have no idea....

Are you connected to a Huawei cab or an ECI cab?

Huawei

I would love to see any evidence of G.INP on HH5A. I can vouch to say mine does not currently have it. I am not saying it's impossible I've just not seen any concrete evidence of it.

I've seen others saying their ratio is 92.6% also so you're not alone. I suppose there's an exception to every rule

My HH5A also gives the ratio of 96.79% as well as a much reduced sync compared to my HH5B, so I'm quite sure it doesn't support G.INP.

If you read the Kitz forum, it appears modems which have firmware that currently support DS G.INP only, don't follow the same ratio as other modems.

You might want to read the Kitz forum again as it doesn't say that, it's talking about ECI cabs in that case.

I was referring to others on Huawei cabs having a ratio of 92.6%.