It seems that it is you googling now . I didn't need to find that as I know how FMPF and SMPF are related.

Incidentally the description of the difference between FMPF and SMPF and how the voice and ADSL signals are separated is technically garbage - although the end result is similar. (Which means someone with half a clue made up a plausible but only partly correct explanation of what he/she knew).

I think if you read my previous post in this thread, and also yours, you will see that mine are fully consistent with that paragraph of description, and your recent ones completely contradicted by it.

Not only that but your conclusion is illogical. The commercial arrangements are totally separate from the absolute fact that a BT Openreach line is used, with all the necessary ancillary and connection equipment and cabling. The line is part of the BT network, not disconnected from it.

There was a post in another thread recently relevant to this. It quoted paragraph 8 from this link.

A move to Full LLU is "another recognised transfer process".

Your turn.

Err googled, no i read that before, hence my query in the first place As for your link it shows me BT prices

Still trying to grasp what part of disconnected from the BT network do you not understand and my point if so is this classed as a cease. Why oh why are you trying to bamboozle it with your complicated clap trap

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Err googled, no i read that before, hence my query in the first place As for your link it shows me BT prices

Still trying to grasp what part of disconnected from the BT network do you not understand and my point if so is this classed as a cease. Why oh why are you trying to bamboozle it with your complicated clap trap

Try reading my previous post again and follow the instructions.

Not trying to bamboozle, just correct an incomprehension by you of several aspects. However having now established the extent of your inability to follow anything - see the first sentence - it isn't surprising I am getting nowhere.

I gather you are currently or were recently on Sky Partial LLU and Sky Talk, and may be moving or have just moved to full LLU.

For your information from the moment you went on to Sky LLU the line from your house ended on the Sky DSLAM, so was already completely disconnected from the BT network in your terms. I am on O2 (partial) LLU, so my line ends on an O2/Be DSLAM. So mine is completely disconnected from the BT network - in your terms. My phone service is still with BT.

The splitting takes place on the DSLAM for anyone on ADSL, including BT IPStream or IPSC. The voice circuit to the required telephony provider is then jumpered from the DSLAM. This is the case even for BT IPStream users.

The saying "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" seems to apply to you. I suggest a refresher course in English Language and Comprehension, followed by reading some technical digests on internet connection technology.

But for now just try the stuff I pointed you to before but which you failed to find.

No in my terms BT say disconnected from BT network. All i want to know do they count that as a cease. Its very simple question, made totally complicated by you. I am not interested in knowing the ins and outs of BT. I have a life and If i knew the answers i would not be asking this very simple question on here. Lets be honest you are not qualified to answer the question. Just because you spend your time reading things on the net does not make you an expert on anything except reading things on the net

You think you know, i stress the word think and the irony of your quote "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

I gather you still haven't read what I pointed you to, as that is the relevant paragraph in the BT Terms and Conditions. It answers your question.

Unless you read that, or really even if you do and still fail to understand, I cannot help you any more. I don't think anything could be more definitive or clear than what it says.

All other discussion of the subject is based on that, or in your case anything but that.

You may now look forward to another couple of days of silence from me until you talk twaddle about something else that bothers me. This subject is exhausted as the factual answer is available to you.

I read it but it does not answer my question, if you are disconnected from the BT network does the cease apply, its like talking to a brick wall

Face it you don't no the answer, you are just posting what you read. All i want is a simple yes/no from a BT rep. The people that know, not arm chair experts that think they know it all because they google everything.

Even though you pay Sky your line rental, Sky then pay a reduced amount to BT under Wholesale Line Rental agreements. Sky do not service your line , this is done by Openreach, Sky deal with BT to handle line faults etc. So really you are just adding one more layer of bureaucracy

the BT support reps are here to support BT customers and as you are not a BT customer dont expect BT to spend time and money answering your questions.

So you are saying BT reps are not here for general enquires and only talk to customers. Ok thanks for clearing that up, and who are you?

Hi.

Just to confirm, if a customer uses a MAC code to transfer to someone else, the charge doesn't apply.

If they contact us and say "I want to cancel my service" and therefore no MAC code is issued, and no MAC code is used by another service provider to take over the service, the charge applies.

All the best,

Stephanie
BT Support