In reply to a post by Oliver341:

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

If the increase is JUST to cover BT Sport then we will not see the other providers increase too.

Not necessarily. BT might raise their prices because of BT Sport, the other providers might raise their price to make more profit whilst still being "cheaper than BT".

From what I've been told, providers have to increase line rental in line with BT, not sure whether this is due to Openreach maybe increasing costs to ISP's or if their if BT have some sort of control over the market..

Wasn't it only Late January/early February that prices where increased too, though I did see this about to happen considering the price jumps on Line Rental Saver and the poor savings compared to monthly line rental.

It could just as easily be the costs of running the network based parental controls that are free to all but many don't want too.

The big Q on BT Sport is how much does a pub pay around £5k/season I think, and how many pubs (around 20,000 best guess) they have and whether there is a benefit in terms of people signing up to YouView and the incremental stuff like movie rentals.

If BT did not do Sport or YouView they would be the odd one out in the UK.

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

From what I've been told, providers have to increase line rental in line with BT, not sure whether this is due to Openreach maybe increasing costs to ISP's or if their if BT have some sort of control over the market

Who told you that? Which part of BT exactly, I am presuming BT Retail? As such, BT Retail do not tell other providers what to do, apart from maybe their own assets.

Maybe worth reading http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/6604-inflation-bu... which shows that wholesale prices have actually fallen, where as Retail pricing for the big 4-5 ISPs have actually crept up.

Openreach Wholesale Line Rental is at its lowest since 2006. (I've no idea what it was before then).

It is now £91.05pa + Vat having dropped on 1 July from £96.17pa + Vat. That's just under £7.59pm.

Divide the ISP rental charge by 1.2 then subtract £7.59 and that's how much they are taking towards overall customer cost.

I don't know if big ISPs can negotiate bulk discounts as well.

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 23-Aug-14 13:21:42)

In reply to a post by hypertony:

£17 line rental!! I only use it for broadband!! :/

Same here, i don't even have a phone plugged in to it, as its upstairs my broadband line, my phone service is on the line downstairs, and that ones through SSE now, as i switched it to them years ago as a lot cheaper than BT, never bothered with my broadband line, as it was only around £15 the line rental when i got it put in.

Ive been umming and arring for a while now about upgrading my Sky LLU to their Fire service, and this news has made my mind up, as when you take their Fibre, you have to take their line as well, which is cheaper, so im definitely switching now.

You have two lines, one for phone and one for broadband? Any reason for that?

In reply to a post by aquiss:

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

From what I've been told, providers have to increase line rental in line with BT, not sure whether this is due to Openreach maybe increasing costs to ISP's or if their if BT have some sort of control over the market

Who told you that? Which part of BT exactly, I am presuming BT Retail? As such, BT Retail do not tell other providers what to do, apart from maybe their own assets.

Maybe worth reading http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/6604-inflation-bu... which shows that wholesale prices have actually fallen, where as Retail pricing for the big 4-5 ISPs have actually crept up.

Well it first came from Virgin's executive department, I then asked an openreach engineer, and also asked sky's sales team and they all said something similar to "we have to keep our line rental prices in line with BT's"

Sky I can understand as they rent from Openreach, But Virgin AFAIK run there own phone network.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Openreach Wholesale Line Rental is at its lowest since 2006. (I've no idea what it was before then).

It is now £91.05pa + Vat having dropped on 1 July from £96.17pa + Vat. That's just under £7.59pm.

Divide the ISP rental charge by 1.2 then subtract £7.59 and that's how much they are taking towards overall customer cost.

I don't know if big ISPs can negotiate bulk discounts as well.

Well that's what I thought too, but still prices seem to be going up more often and not creeping up any more either.

Take a look at the wholesale price and you will see that is on a downward trend so nothing to this 'gossip'

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Take a look at the wholesale price and you will see that is on a downward trend so nothing to this 'gossip'

As mentioned, I know they are lower than ever before but I though I would mention what I've been told as it might shine some light on it being a possibility but I'm now sure its not as many including you have dismissed it.

So maybe it is that the cost of offers for new customers and promotions that we didn't really ask for are being passed onto use, whether we link it or not.

and if it is related to BT sport, then shouldn't that only affect customers of BT Group owned providers and not the likes of other LLU operators such as TalkTalk