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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 01-Jun-08 22:05:41
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Forcing a sync speed?


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I have a slight problem with staying synced, since whenever my router is reset for some reason, it starts the whole process of finding a stable sync again (and this changes dramatically in the evening from the day).

It constantly tries to connect at the 8128, and that's fine during the day, but ends up with hours of packet loss and disconnects through the evening until it settles at about 7200 (Interleaving is off, so that explains that).

I'm wondering if it's possible to set my router to sync at a set speed even after a reset to avoid the problem? Possibly with a Telnet command?

The router in question is a D-Link DSL-2640B.

Thanks.

Edit:
Telnet and ADSL commands if it's any use:
help
logout
reboot
adsl
atm
brctl
cat
ledctrl
df
dumpcfg
echo
ifconfig
kill
arp
defaultgateway
dhcpserver
dns
lan
passwd
ppp
remoteaccess
restoredefault
route
save
swversion
wan
ping
ps
pwd
sntp
sysinfo
tftp
wlctl

ADSL commands:


> adsl
Usage: adsl start [--up] [--mod <a|d|l|t|2|p|e|m>] [--lpair <(i)nner|(o)uter>]
[--trellis <on|off>] [--snr <snrQ4>] [--bitswap <on|off>] [--sra <on|
off>]
adsl stop
adsl connection [--up] [--down] [--loopback] [--reverb]
[--medley] [--noretrain] [--L3] [--diagmode]
[--tones <xmtStart xmtNum xmtMap rcvStart rcvNum rcvMap>]
adsl configure [--mod <a|d|l|t|2|p|e|m>] [--lpair <(i)nner|(o)uter>]
[--trellis <on|off>] [--snr <snrQ4>] [--bitswap <on|off>] [--sra <on|
off>]
adsl bert [--start <#seconds>] [--stop] [--show]
adsl info [--state] [--show] [--stats] [--SNR] [--QLN] [--Hlog] [--linedi
ag] [--reset]
adsl --version
adsl --help

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Standard User adebov
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 01-Jun-08 22:09:20
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Re: Forcing a sync speed?


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I'm wondering if it's possible to set my router to sync at a set speed even after a reset to avoid the problem?

The router in question is a D-Link DSL-2640B.


Don't think so, with that router.
The only one I know of, that allows something close to what you're looking for, is the Belkin 7632, which allows you to set a cap on the sync speed (to prevent it from syncing too high).
The Belkin is quite an old router, but I've seen them recently in Maplin on sale at around �30-40.

Ade

ADSL24/Entanet - 22 months and counting, with Entanet!
DL Sync 4000kbps
UL Sync 448
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 01-Jun-08 22:22:43
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Re: Forcing a sync speed?


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Thanks for that, pretty disappointing. Was hoping all those Telnet commands would be useful for something.

Problem is when I'm online in the evenings I'll be gaming, and having packet loss kick me out every 5 minutes or cause extreme latency is even more annoying than the actual connection drop outs since it can go on for several days depending on how quickly the router adjusts (so in some respects it's better to have terrible line quality in the evenings as it'll drop sync quicker).

Must be something that can be done rather than this.

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Standard User adebov
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 01-Jun-08 22:38:58
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Re: Forcing a sync speed?


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The other way is to force a stupidly high target noise margin (something that's so high, no amount of normal noise will trigger a re-sync - around 12dB would be about right).
Unfortunately, I don't think that's possible with your current router, either.
For this, you need a Broadcom chipset (as used by Speedtouch, some Netgears, and the odd Linksys, Belkin and Voyager routers).

Might be worth picking up a �13 Speedtouch 546 from DSL Depot for a bit of a play.

Ade

ADSL24/Entanet - 22 months and counting, with Entanet!
DL Sync 4000kbps
UL Sync 448
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 01-Jun-08 22:43:14
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Re: Forcing a sync speed?


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It does use a Broadcom chipset.

Wouldn't your suggestion cause huge packet loss problems 24/7, and never allow it to settle down though?

Current stats for what they're worth:
Downstream Upstream
Rate (Kbps): 7456 448

SNR Margin (dB): 8.8 25.0
Attenuation (dB): 32.0 18.0
Output Power (dBm): 11.9 19.7

Edited by deleted (Sun 01-Jun-08 22:47:45)

Standard User adebov
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 01-Jun-08 22:52:23
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Re: Forcing a sync speed?


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Wouldn't your suggestion cause huge packet loss problems 24/7, and never allow it to settle down though?

No, because the BT systems would adjust your IP profile, to prevent 7Mbps trying to get through a 6Mbps "hole", so additional packet loss would not happen.

Looks like you may be on a 9dB target margin already, so with a suitable Broadcom equipped router, you could push the target up to 15dB.
You'd lose around 1.5Mbps of speed (your IP profile would drop from 6.5Mbps to around 5Mbps), but you'd be really stable (or at least your line would ).

Ade

ADSL24/Entanet - 22 months and counting, with Entanet!
DL Sync 4000kbps
UL Sync 448
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(deleted) Sun 01-Jun-08 23:10:41
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Re: Forcing a sync speed?


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Hmm, well, it's a 6000 profile and that's 100% stable. Could probably push 6500 stable, but the sync speeds are never exact.

With interleaving, I suppose the full 8128 would be fine (especially since it manages it all hours except a few in the evening), but I'm not a fan of the extra latency.

If I could keep a 6000 profile that'd suit me just fine though, but I'm still not 100% sure how it'd work (target SNR has always been a bit foggy for me).
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Mon 02-Jun-08 11:14:07
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Usage: adsl start [--up] [--mod <a|d|l|t|2|p|e|m>] [--lpair <(i)nner|(o)uter>]
[--trellis <on|off>] [--snr <snrQ4>] [--bitswap <on|off>] [--sra <on|
off>]

looks like it has an SNR bending command there, though would need to RTFM to know what value to put in.

Phil

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Standard User adebov
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 02-Jun-08 18:05:55
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Re: Forcing a sync speed?


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looks like it has an SNR bending command there, though would need to RTFM to know what value to put in.

The series of commands are the same as for the Belkin 7633.
In which case, [--snr <snrQ4>] would become [--snr <xx>] where 'xx' is the tweak.
On the Belkin, you can take it all the way down to '01' (approx. 6dB off the DSLAM target), a value above approx. 60 will add to the target.
A little bit of playing is required (but not too much, otherwise the OP will incur the wrath of the DLM monster).

Ade

ADSL24/Entanet - 22 months and counting, with Entanet!
DL Sync 4000kbps
UL Sync 448
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