In reply to a post by youngsyp:

Are you using/ have you used both the devices as integrated devices? Or just used the router parts?

Thanks,

Paul

I have used the Draytek in bridge mode as a modem only, an ADSL modem / router and a 3G router with a three wireless dongle plugged in (the 2820 supports the Huwaei 3 dongle) all without problem.

I have, so far, only used the Billion 7800N as an ADSL / modem with Be*.

When FTTC comes (soon I hope) I will compare them to see which device is faster in routing the traffic from a 80 / 20 connection at full speed.

I suspect it will be an interesting race! I might then put one of the devices on eBay to reduce my ADSL router count from six to five (unless I have missed one!).

Excellent and thanks.

I will definitely post up results.

I must admit, despite the fairly keen difference in cost, I am still swaying towards the Draytek...

Paul

Here's a tip for those wanting to know the chipset of their ADSL2+ supplier's DSLAM/MSAN.

(1) Purchase (as little as £0-99, from eBay) a 2Wire 2700HGV.
(2) Power it up, with it not connected to the incoming telephone line and perform a full hardware reset via the button on the back.
(3) Connect it to the telephone line and allow it to sync with the DSLAM/MASN.
(4) Access it via the GUI (192.168.1.254) and you will be able to read the DSLAM/MSAN chipset.

I can confirm that all TalkTalk lines, of which I have had experience, are connected to DSLAMs/MSANs with an Infineon chipset.

In reply to a post by burakkucat:

Here's a tip for those wanting to know the chipset of their ADSL2+ supplier's DSLAM/MSAN.

(1) Purchase (as little as £0-99, from eBay) a 2Wire 2700HGV.
(2) Power it up, with it not connected to the incoming telephone line and perform a full hardware reset via the button on the back.
(3) Connect it to the telephone line and allow it to sync with the DSLAM/MASN.
(4) Access it via the GUI (192.168.1.254) and you will be able to read the DSLAM/MSAN chipset.

I can confirm that all TalkTalk lines, of which I have had experience, are connected to DSLAMs/MSANs with an Infineon chipset.

Thanks for the information.

The Speedtouch 585v8 that I have will show remote vendor ID so I could use that to perform the above. I noticed yesterday that despite having a Local Vendor ID of TMMB, it actually uses an Infineon chipset. So I could even use that moving forwards if needs be. I just fancy a new shiny router though.

Paul

I thought your Speedtouch was a 585v7 which you mentioned in your other thread?

In reply to a post by 4M2:

I thought your Speedtouch was a 585v7 which you mentioned in your other thread?

I thought it was too.... Until I got it out of the box the other evening and realised it's actually a v8 (Plusnet branded).

Paul

My TG585v7 (8.2.6.5 generic) says: Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / BDCM

TMMB = Thomson MultiMedia Broadband (TMMB is their brand Broadcom chipset) 544D4D42

BDCM = Broadcom 4244434D Ericsson

That's on my uno partial LLU connection (TalkTalk LLU kit at the exchange that as far as I know didn't have Tiscali LLU enabled.)

Edit: My exchange has been TT LLU'ed since the beginning of 2010 but the equipment may have been installed before then by Tiscali and possibly not used.

Edited by 4M2 (Fri 29-Jun-12 17:27:54)

Might also be asking Vivaciti to see what they say?

They are TBB members so may be along shortly...

On the router stats page, my 585v8 states the local vendor id is:TMMB. However, when I look at the summary from RouterStats, it states the 'Vendor Chipset Vendor' is IFTN with the 'Vendor System Vendor' being TMMB. When I take it off the network, I'll take the cover off and confirm either way.
Thanks for the info on the exchange kit too. The plot thickens...

@b4dger: I contacted Vivaciti and they advised they didn't have the information on the MSAN kit in the exchange.

Whatever kit is in the exchange, I've pulled the trigger on a Draytek Vigor 2830n now anyway. I got it at a fairly reasonable price so, if it turns out my exchange has a Broadcom MSAN, I'll just flog it and buy the Billion.

Paul

Edited by deleted (Fri 29-Jun-12 20:17:57)

DMT confirms broadcom at the exchange end also - just shows my IP and PVC info at this end though.

I reckon with your assortment of routers you should be OK - stability is always my number one concern rather than speed. I find that with a 37dB downstream adsl2+ attenuation and a 40 year old copper pair to the cabinet things can sometimes be a bit iffy - in fact DMT just displayed a larger number of gaps in the higher frequencies than normal (9.15pm)...