In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by PC8S:

If you can stretch to it - get Starlink.. it's designed entirely for people like yourself..

Surprised you didn't suggest a LL

nah Starlink would be good enough. A LL cost would be massive for someone out in the sticks as we know :/ I needed 455M and that was £2525 - and other costs made the ECC's £3800 - I would imagine it's about 30K for someone in the sticks even with the £2800 taken off

Edited by PC8S (Sat 08-Oct-22 20:27:17)

Just get Starlink. Done.

I do think Starlink is a no brainer for people like the OP - I am surprised they don't seem to know about it, or if they do have not thought about it - but they do now and I hope they can justify the monthly tag. From what I hear the Dishy 2 is okay - removing the Ethernet port seems to be the only negative about it.

Well I do know about Starlink (I do not not live under a rock, but rather in a place with poor internet, lol), but my understanding is that it has a ping that is too high and too unstable for doing gaming, especially for FPS games.

My solution so far has been getting a Billion BiPAC 7800DXL modem/router and change the modulation, and now it runs with a fairly stable ping, and I am able to play CSGO decently. I also tried playing with the SNR margins, but I think having a stable connection is more important for CSGO than increasing the bandwidth.

I actually found that G.Dmt modulation on the Billiom modem/router gives the most stable connection and more or less the same speeds as ADSL2 or ADSL2+ modulation. However, it is on an ADSL2+ enabled connection (I was told I had been switched to ADSL2 by BT). So does this make sense to anyone

Edited by lo22 (Tue 18-Oct-22 13:07:31)

In reply to a post by lo22:

Well I do know about Starlink (I do not not live under a rock, but rather in a place with poor internet, lol), but my understanding is that it has a ping that is too high and too unstable for doing gaming, especially for FPS games.

It isn't necessarily too high for gaming.

Normal satellite broadband has incredibly high latencies. Often 600ms+ and is completely unsuitable for gaming, due to the huge distances to the satellite

Starlink can have latencies in the 20-40ms range for many users which can be comparable or even better than many ADSL connections.

How stable the latency is and how bad the jitter is I have no idea but it isn't comparable with other satellite broadband services.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

Starlink can have latencies in the 20-40ms range for many users which can be comparable or even better than many ADSL connections.

It is rarely as low as 20ms, 40-70ms is far more typical (pinging London based hosts from here in Essex, probably via the Starlink groundstation in Kent). But is also a lot more variable than ADSL, even when unloaded it will bounce between 40-70ms, with plenty of >100ms or even >200ms thrown in every minute or two.

And the packet loss is higher than ADSL.

There are also regularly very brief connection losses. It is normal to have multiple sub 2 second connection losses an hour. With streaming, web browsing and video calls these don't tend to be noticeable. But for example they do have a habit of freezing my remote desktop connection to Azure virtual machines for a few seconds.

I don't do any online gaming, so I'm afraid I don't know what real world impact this would have.

In reply to a post by andynormancx:

It is rarely as low as 20ms, 40-70ms is far more typical (pinging London based hosts from here in Essex, probably via the Starlink groundstation in Kent). But is also a lot more variable than ADSL, even when unloaded it will bounce between 40-70ms, with plenty of >100ms or even >200ms thrown in every minute or two.

And the packet loss is higher than ADSL.

There are also regularly very brief connection losses. It is normal to have multiple sub 2 second connection losses an hour.

That's the sort of thing you'd expect with the "active" satellite moving across the sky and changing as "better" ones come into view.

Have you tried setting up a BQM on it? Not that anything can be done about it, but it would be interesting to see.

In reply to a post by billford:

That's the sort of thing you'd expect with the "active" satellite moving across the sky and changing as "better" ones come into view.

Indeed, it is amazing that it works at all, given it is swapping satellites about once a minute.

In reply to a post by billford:

Have you tried setting up a BQM on it? Not that anything can be done about it, but it would be interesting to see.

Sadly not an option, Starlink use CGNAT, I don't have a public IP address.