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Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Sat 03-Mar-12 13:21:17
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Fibre Availability Checker


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I was quite surprised while I was researching fibre availability at the lack of a tool that can analyse the leaked cabinet documents and bring into the equation data from other tools such as the BTw checker.

To address this, I've been working on a little site which does exactly that. However as there are so many combinations of different numbers of cabinets, exchange only lines and so on, testing every combination myself is difficult. So I'd appreciate any feedback and screenshots of combinations that don't work or give incorrect data.

Is this tool useful? And also are BT likely to get mad about a tool like this? (I'm not planning on doing anything with it other than it being a tool to help people)

Site here: here.

P.S: I don't think it will work fully for full LLU lines as they don't show up on the checker do they?

P.P.S: There's no fancy GUI yet (and there may not ever be). And I'm not storing any data you enter. If you want proof you can see the source code smile

Thanks smile

Edited by madnutter56 (Sat 03-Mar-12 13:24:02)

Standard User tonymortlock
(member) Sat 03-Mar-12 13:34:27
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
Well this is what it says about my line, which ties in to what I've found out so far on another thread http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/f/4100383-fib...

Data found:

Exchange: Rossington

Recorded Line Length: 0m
Estimated Attenuation: 0dB

You are connected to one of the following:
Cabinet 3 which is currently planned to receive FTTC (8% of lines)
Cabinet 5 which is currently planned to receive FTTC (90% of lines)
Directly to the exchange. Exchange Only lines are currently unable to receive Fibre technology. (2% of lines)

Our check shows that you cannot currently order FTTC.

No speed estimate is currently avaiable for your line.
Standard User ccxo
(member) Sat 03-Mar-12 16:16:38
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
Once BT know about you're site and tool, you will be told to take it down as no other site since the ISP Eclipse has showed the cabinet data since.

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Standard User Squirrel
(knowledge is power) Sat 03-Mar-12 16:27:22
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
Something is not right - here's my results

Exchange: Chandlers Ford

Recorded Line Length: 3295m
Estimated Attenuation: 45dB

No fibre services are currently planned for this exchange.


Your speed estimate for fibre is:
Downstream: 40Mbps
Upstream: 10Mbps

No fibre services eh - what on earth have I been running on for the last 12 months smile

Standard User bgriffiths
(member) Sat 03-Mar-12 16:59:05
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: Squirrel] [link to this post]
 
ditto here

Data found:

Exchange: Madingley

Recorded Line Length: 3447m
Estimated Attenuation: 48dB

No fibre services are currently planned for this exchange.


FTTC services for two of the villages on the exchange are due to go live end of March, even the Samknows link provided shows that! FTTP provision for the other village in a few months time.

ISP: Goscomb Technologies
Standard User andrewdb
(committed) Sat 03-Mar-12 17:19:01
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Edited by andrewdb (Sat 03-Mar-12 17:19:56)

Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Sat 03-Mar-12 18:03:17
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: ccxo] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by ccxo:
Once BT know about you're site and tool, you will be told to take it down as no other site since the ISP Eclipse has showed the cabinet data since.

I won't take it any further then if it'll only end badly.

In reply to a post by andrewdb:
Re-inventing the wheel?


Just trying to make the wheel a little easier to use smile Not everyone is able to read a PCP to Postcode file and understand it.
Standard User R0NSKI
(newbie) Sat 03-Mar-12 18:14:05
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
Well I think it is a good idea, but BT may get upset.

Anyway my data seems correct.

Data found:

Exchange: Broadstairs

Recorded Line Length: 2284m
Estimated Attenuation: 32dB

You are connected to Cabinet 18 which is currently planned to receive FTTC.

You cannot currently order FTTC.

No speed estimate is currently avaiable for your line.
Standard User Magicuk27
(newbie) Sat 03-Mar-12 18:42:57
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
i get:

Phone number checked:
Postcode checked:

Data found:

Exchange: Wallington

Recorded Line Length: 1378m
Estimated Attenuation: 19dB

You are connected to Cabinet 2 which is currently planned to receive FTTC.

You cannot currently order FTTC.

Your speed estimate for fibre is:
Downstream: 40Mbps
Upstream: 10Mbps.


does anyone have any info on when cabinet 2 is going to be able to order a fttc service.
Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Sat 03-Mar-12 18:57:21
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: Magicuk27] [link to this post]
 
@Magicuk27

If you re-run the checker it should now show you a (provisional) date smile
Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Sat 03-Mar-12 18:59:48
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[re: bgriffiths] [link to this post]
 
@Squirrel
@bgriffiths

Maybe something went wrong with the database import for your exchange. I'll have a look now.

EDIT: Yeah it looks like there are ~ 150,000 rows missing. (There are over 1.35 million in total.) Unluckily you both seem to have fallen into these missing ones. Gonna re-import now but it might take a while

Edited by madnutter56 (Sat 03-Mar-12 19:08:28)

Standard User kasg
(experienced) Sat 03-Mar-12 19:07:42
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
Exchange: Crawley

Recorded Line Length: 4716m
Estimated Attenuation: 65dB

No fibre services are currently planned for this exchange.

Your speed estimate for fibre is:
Downstream: 40Mbps
Upstream: 10Mbps

Something not quite right there!

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Edited by kasg (Sat 03-Mar-12 19:08:30)

Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Sat 03-Mar-12 19:09:14
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[re: kasg] [link to this post]
 
See my above post smile The fact that it gives a speed estimate confirms that it's the missing rows causing the problem

EDIT: Hold on a min, did you put your postcode in with a space in the middle or not?

Edited by madnutter56 (Sat 03-Mar-12 19:19:39)

Standard User kasg
(experienced) Sat 03-Mar-12 19:22:49
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by madnutter56:
See my above post smile The fact that it gives a speed estimate confirms that it's the missing rows causing the problem

EDIT: Hold on a min, did you put your postcode in with a space in the middle or not?
I used a space, tried again without the space and the results are correct smile

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Standard User Squirrel
(knowledge is power) Sat 03-Mar-12 19:37:49
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[re: kasg] [link to this post]
 
I used a space in the postcode too so went back to try again. Sadly, OP has now reached his web limit from his hosting company frown

Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Sat 03-Mar-12 19:47:54
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[re: Squirrel] [link to this post]
 
Ok, I fixed the problem with the space, shouldn't happen anymore even with a space. Hosting should be fixed again at 8.
Standard User Squirrel
(knowledge is power) Sat 03-Mar-12 20:03:03
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[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
That's better.

Exchange: Chandlers Ford

Recorded Line Length: 3295m
Estimated Attenuation: 45dB

You are connected to Cabinet 33 which is currently live and accepting orders for FTTC

Your speed estimate for fibre is:
Downstream: 40Mbps
Upstream: 10Mbps

Standard User NICK_ADSL_UK
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 03-Mar-12 20:03:38
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by madnutter56:
I was quite surprised while I was researching fibre availability at the lack of a tool that can analyse the leaked cabinet documents and bring into the equation data from other tools such as the BTw checker.

To address this, I've been working on a little site which does exactly that. However as there are so many combinations of different numbers of cabinets, exchange only lines and so on, testing every combination myself is difficult. So I'd appreciate any feedback and screenshots of combinations that don't work or give incorrect data.

Is this tool useful? And also are BT likely to get mad about a tool like this? (I'm not planning on doing anything with it other than it being a tool to help people)

Site here: here.

P.S: I don't think it will work fully for full LLU lines as they don't show up on the checker do they?

P.P.S: There's no fancy GUI yet (and there may not ever be). And I'm not storing any data you enter. If you want proof you can see the source code smile

Thanks smile


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Standard User bgriffiths
(member) Sat 03-Mar-12 20:14:55
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: Squirrel] [link to this post]
 
ditto

Data found:

Exchange: Madingley

Recorded Line Length: 3447m
Estimated Attenuation: 48dB

You are connected to Cabinet 4 which is currently planned to receive FTTP

You cannot currently order FTTP.

No speed estimate is currently avaiable for your line.


ISP: Goscomb Technologies
Standard User ggremlin
(committed) Sat 03-Mar-12 20:41:40
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
spaces still causing problems
"abc def" -> "abc ef"
and bandwidth full again ;-(

where does the estimated length and attenuation come from?
Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Sat 03-Mar-12 21:18:38
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[re: ggremlin] [link to this post]
 
Ok postcode should be fixed for good now. Using a different method of removing the space.

I'll try and find a fix for the high resource usage in the morning smile

The line length comes from http://windows.mouselike.org/be/index.asp?DoAction=C...

and the estimated attenuation is simply that /1000 then *13.5 (approx loop loss of copper per km)

Edited by madnutter56 (Sat 03-Mar-12 21:24:43)

Standard User Alex1M6
(learned) Sat 03-Mar-12 21:59:06
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
Doesn't work

Data found:

Exchange:

Recorded Line Length: m
Estimated Attenuation: 0dB

No fibre services were found for this postcode.
Standard User ggremlin
(committed) Sat 03-Mar-12 22:04:42
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
thanks,
and thanks for the 'be usergroup' link
regards
gremlin

edit change 'be' to 'be usergroup'

Edited by ggremlin (Sat 03-Mar-12 22:44:03)

Anonymous
(Unregistered)Sun 04-Mar-12 07:08:58
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
Doesn't work for Winton exchange (STWINTN) either frown Great idea tho...

Ian
Standard User stephen79
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 04-Mar-12 10:34:40
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
Worked perfectly for me

BTInternet
Standard User john7
(member) Sun 04-Mar-12 11:32:05
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: tonymortlock] [link to this post]
 
I regretably take it "You are connected which is not currently planned to receive Fibre technology" meens though our exchange is due to go in June we are not included in that!
Standard User j112
(member) Sun 04-Mar-12 11:52:32
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: john7] [link to this post]
 
Data found:

Exchange: Montfort

Recorded Line Length: 3509m
Estimated Attenuation: 48dB

You are connected to Cabinet 50 which is currently planned to receive FTTC by 31st December 201.

You cannot currently order FTTC.

Your speed estimate for fibre is:
Downstream: 40Mbps
Upstream: 10Mbps

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ISP INFO

Leiceste MONTFORT Internet Connections:
0 - NTL WORLD DIAL UP
1st ISP PIPEX 512k-1mb IPSTREAM
2nd ISP UKONLINE- 4.5mb LLU
3rd ISP Zen - never got connected !
4th SKY MAX LLU - 3.5mb
Current ISP VIrgin Media 30mb

------------------------------------------------------------------
Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Sun 04-Mar-12 11:57:42
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: Alex1M6] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Alex1M6:
Doesn't work

Data found:

Exchange:

Recorded Line Length: m
Estimated Attenuation: 0dB

No fibre services were found for this postcode.


Is your line Full LLU?
Standard User robvxr
(newbie) Sun 04-Mar-12 14:50:43
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
Mine says this:

Phone number checked: 01254230095
Postcode checked: BB55XP

Data found:

Exchange: Accrington

Recorded Line Length: 4051m
Estimated Attenuation: 56dB

You are connected to Cabinet 53 which is currently planned to receive FTTC

You cannot currently order FTTC.

No speed estimate is currently avaiable for your line.

Can someone break this down for me? Why don't I have a speed estimate yet frown

BTBroadband

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Standard User Bald_Eagle1
(member) Sun 04-Mar-12 22:00:32
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Re: Fibre Availability Checker


[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
Works fine for me:-

Data found:

Exchange: Oldham

Recorded Line Length: 5283m
Estimated Attenuation: 73dB

You are connected to Cabinet 51 which is currently live and accepting orders for FTTC

Your speed estimate for fibre is:
Downstream: 30Mbps
Upstream: 5.7Mbps


The only snag is that the Recorded line length is all the way from the exchange & thus the FTTC attenuation values will be much lower from the cabinet.
Indeed my FTTC DS attenuation is around 22 dB, over a line length from the cabinet of anywhere between 800m & 1100m.

Using 13.81dB per km for typical 0.5mm copper telephone wire, my attenuation should really be between 11dB & 15dB, although the higher VDSL2 frequencies will no doubt be further attenuated. That much in fact that I can't get anything at all from the highest D3 band plan.

The 22dB that I mentioned suggests a line length of 1.6 km from the FTTC cabinet, which is complete nonsense
Standard User gt94sss2
(experienced) Sun 04-Mar-12 22:45:02
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[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
I have two BT lines (next to each other) but your checker gives different results for both of them. The only difference between the two lines is that line 2 (which gives incomplete results) is partial LLU (O2 for internet only).

Line 1
Data found:
Exchange: Wandsworth
Recorded Line Length: 3020m
Estimated Attenuation: 42dB
You are connected to one of the following:
Cabinet 32 which is currently planned to receive FTTC (67% of lines)
Cabinet 36 which is currently planned to receive FTTC (32% of lines)
Our check shows that you cannot currently order FTTC.
Your speed estimate for fibre is:
Downstream: 40Mbps
Upstream: 10Mbps


Line 2
Data found:
Exchange:
Recorded Line Length: m
Estimated Attenuation: 0dB
No fibre services were found for this postcode.

Your speed estimate for fibre is:
Downstream: 40Mbps
Upstream: 10Mbps


Regards
Sunil
Standard User herbgold
(member) Mon 05-Mar-12 03:25:06
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[re: j112] [link to this post]
 
Seems to work perfectly for me (incidentally, thank for for allowing postcodes with a space - seems to be beyond the capability of many web sites!)


Data found:

Exchange: Wandsworth

Recorded Line Length: 3157m
Estimated Attenuation: 44dB

You are connected to Cabinet 42 which is currently planned to receive FTTC by 31st March 2012.

You cannot currently order FTTC.

Your speed estimate for fibre is:
Downstream: 40Mbps
Upstream: 10Mbps
Standard User Huntyz
(regular) Mon 05-Mar-12 06:49:03
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[re: herbgold] [link to this post]
 
Nice site but says i cant get fibre.

Data found:

Exchange: Roche

Recorded Line Length: 935m
Estimated Attenuation: 13dB

You are connected which is not currently planned to receive Fibre technology.

Your speed estimate for fibre is:
Downstream: 40Mbps
Upstream: 10Mbps

Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Mon 05-Mar-12 11:05:23
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[re: Huntyz] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Huntyz:
You are connected which is not currently planned to receive Fibre technology.


Would you mind PM'ing me your postcode as there is clearly something wrong there. It should show your cabinet number after "you are connected" but there's something wrong with the db query :/

Alex

Edited by madnutter56 (Mon 05-Mar-12 11:14:24)

Standard User boxst
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 05-Mar-12 13:13:10
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[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
As you say, it doesn't seem to work with LLU lines.

Is there anywhere to check those?

Steve
Standard User Adsl24
(knowledge is power) Mon 05-Mar-12 15:17:42
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[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
The reason why there is no such online checker is because BT will be on your case. I would recommend anticipating that they will be in touch shortly. The data within that "leaked" document is BT copyrighted and they don't like any part of it being published smile

I think its a great idea personally as there is a lack of FTTC availability information available. We have, on many occasions, debated whether we should offer such a tool on our website, but had to take a step back and understand that for some reason BT are so against any of this data being in the public domain, even though we only use it for legitimate availability enquiries to help sign someone up = money to BT

Ah well... good luck!

James
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Standard User MrGrumpy
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 05-Mar-12 16:18:50
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[re: Adsl24] [link to this post]
 
Recorded Line Length: 1526m
Estimated Attenuation: 21dB

You are connected to Cabinet 8 which is currently live and accepting orders for FTTC

Your speed estimate for fibre is:
Downstream: 40Mbps
Upstream: 10Mbps

As suspected my line goes round in circles before hitting the cab, can walk to my cab which is approx 300-400m?

Regards

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Standard User Adsl24
(knowledge is power) Mon 05-Mar-12 16:21:24
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[re: MrGrumpy] [link to this post]
 
No, that checker is showing you the line length from the exchange, not the cabinet I believe. So that data is in fact useless for FTTC smile

James
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Standard User MrGrumpy
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 05-Mar-12 16:27:41
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[re: Adsl24] [link to this post]
 
hmm you sure? In fact more I think about it you could well be right laugh

Regards

MrG

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Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Mon 05-Mar-12 16:43:04
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[re: MrGrumpy] [link to this post]
 
James is correct, that data is line length from the exchange.
As far as I can tell there is no way to get the line length from the cabinet unless I try and calculate it using the estimated fibre speed.

Edited by madnutter56 (Mon 05-Mar-12 17:20:20)

Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Mon 05-Mar-12 16:46:02
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[re: boxst] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by boxst:
As you say, it doesn't seem to work with LLU lines.

Is there anywhere to check those?


EDIT: Actually;

For Partial LLU (line rental still on BT equipment) I can make it work.

For Full LLU:
I can make it work, but I'll need to ask the user what exchange they are on and it won't be able to give a speed estimate or check if it's live.

Edited by madnutter56 (Mon 05-Mar-12 16:48:26)

Standard User kasg
(experienced) Mon 05-Mar-12 16:52:46
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[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by madnutter56:
James is correct, that data is line length from the exchange. Since it is irrelevant and can be misleading I've removed it from the checker.

Shame, I thought it was quite useful having the data in one place, including the estimated attenuation. Why not just ensure that they are labelled clearly as applying to ADSL, not FTTC?

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Standard User Moradin
(regular) Mon 05-Mar-12 16:56:25
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[re: kasg] [link to this post]
 
The reason why there is no such online checker is because BT will be on your case. I would recommend anticipating that they will be in touch shortly. The data within that "leaked" document is BT copyrighted and they don't like any part of it being published


And they will prove the data stored on his server came from their information.. how exactly ?

Bearing in mind also that a cabinet location isn't per se, Bt copyrighted information, any more than the location of street lamps in my road......

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Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Mon 05-Mar-12 17:02:08
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[re: kasg] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by kasg:
Shame, I thought it was quite useful having the data in one place, including the estimated attenuation. Why not just ensure that they are labelled clearly as applying to ADSL, not FTTC?

Done laugh Didn't think of that, thanks.

Alex
Standard User Huntyz
(regular) Mon 05-Mar-12 17:21:10
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[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
Works good now smile


Data found:

Exchange: Roche

Recorded Line Length (from exchange): 935m
Estimated Attenuation (on ADSL): 13dB

You are connected to Cabinet 1 which is currently live and accepting orders for FTTC

Your speed estimate for fibre is:
Downstream: 40Mbps
Upstream: 10Mbps

Standard User john7
(member) Mon 05-Mar-12 17:46:54
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[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
Thats what I had as well
Data found:

Exchange: Oswestry

Recorded Line Length (from exchange): 4260m
Estimated Attenuation (on ADSL): 59dB

You are connected which is not currently planned to receive Fibre technology.
Standard User andrewdb
(committed) Mon 05-Mar-12 17:58:21
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Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Mon 05-Mar-12 19:27:57
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[re: andrewdb] [link to this post]
 
@andrewdb

It's one of those situations where there's no way of me proving 100% to you that I'm genuine, but I'll say again that I'm only doing this out of pure interest in the area and wanting to help the community.

If you want, I'd be happy to give you a link to the live source code which is displayed through a php script which literally opens index.php and echo's the code out, or access to the FTP if you really want? (I already had one request for the source code to which I obliged)

Edited by madnutter56 (Mon 05-Mar-12 19:28:23)

Standard User Stoo
(learned) Mon 05-Mar-12 19:34:23
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[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
Looks good to me:


Data found:

Exchange: Lowestoft

Recorded Line Length (from exchange): 2783m
Estimated Attenuation (on ADSL): 38dB

You are connected to Cabinet 59 which is currently planned to receive FTTC

You cannot currently order FTTC.

No speed estimate is currently available for your line.



Interesting attenuation figure - I'm actually getting 51dB... Shows how knackered the line is here..

Edited by Stoo (Mon 05-Mar-12 19:35:24)

Standard User Kr1s69
(knowledge is power) Mon 05-Mar-12 20:06:07
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[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
where does the line length come from?

Kris

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Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Mon 05-Mar-12 20:15:30
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[re: Kr1s69] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Kr1s69:
where does the line length come from?


Here smile
Standard User andrewdb
(committed) Mon 05-Mar-12 20:31:53
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[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
nevermind...seeing as your gonna go ahead anyway...

I'd make the phone number optional (stick the postcode only in that checker and it still gives a result but with less info).I've sometimes used numbers that aren't mine to get around it! A local hairdressers is 1-digit different to us so we get a ton of wrong numbers and inadvertently sometimes a typo creeps in to broadband checkers wink Wonder how many calls they've had from talktalk now haha!

Whether the website whose checker your using will continue to allow a ton of requests from your website remains to be seen. If they throw a captcha in your screwed though.

Edited by andrewdb (Mon 05-Mar-12 20:32:40)

Standard User Kr1s69
(knowledge is power) Mon 05-Mar-12 20:44:12
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bookmarked smile

Kris

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Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Mon 05-Mar-12 21:02:58
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[re: andrewdb] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by andrewdb:
nevermind...seeing as your gonna go ahead anyway...

To be honest I'm swinging in the direction of leaving it as I can only see this ending with a takedown notice from BT.

In reply to a post by andrewdb:
I'd make the phone number optional (stick the postcode only in that checker and it still gives a result but with less info).

The way I've set the Database up for performance is that each exchange has it's own table, and this is named by the name of the exchange. I get the name from the be checker or the BTw one if the be one returns no value, and then look up that postcode in the correct table.

I could just dump it all in one table but I suspect there would be performance hits from that.
Anonymous
(Unregistered)Mon 05-Mar-12 21:12:52
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[re: Moradin] [link to this post]
 
actually it is commercial informaiton -- it also contaiins commercially sensitive unpublished public domain informaion -- that spreadhseet was not leadked it was inentionionally obtained

I wonder if those who are so keen to have it would have been pelased if that had been your addresses or back details or you employment persoonel records
Standard User Moradin
(regular) Mon 05-Mar-12 21:43:03
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[re: Anonymous] [link to this post]
 
contaiins commercially sensitive unpublished public domain informaion


Have you any idea how dumb that statement is?

The information isn't sensitive at all. To WHOM do you think the information is commercially sensitive?

Virgin? BT's main competition? - they have this information , and lots more already.

The location of cabinets in the street is NOT owned by anyone, its the same as ''where are all the lamposts'', '' where are exchanges located''' ie: public domain.

The only information which could be argued IS British Telecoms, is the information on which cabinet is connected to which house. While that information isn't in general public hands, its easily easily obtainable by anyone that wanted it.

Even if BT asked for it to be taken down, this is the internet bud, do you not think another version would not spring up linked from somewhere on the internet where BT have no say?

This is 2011, and this is the internet. once its leaked, its leaked for good.

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Mon 05-Mar-12 21:50:37
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[re: Moradin] [link to this post]
 
it was noted by the business when and how it was obtained and by whom

FYI it does contain some information nut publised formllay

PS it also only a shap shot and not a complete definitive of deployment
Standard User Adsl24
(knowledge is power) Mon 05-Mar-12 21:51:00
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[re: Moradin] [link to this post]
 
Because they monitor this forum and know how the data has been leaked wink Plus how else would you be able to obtain the cab to which every UK postcode is attached to without having access to that document.

The copyright is in relation to the postcode -> cab link, not the location of the cabs themselves.

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ADSL24 Broadband
http://adsl24.co.uk
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 06-Mar-12 00:36:41
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[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
Great idea

Exchange: Hereford

Recorded Line Length (from exchange): 3282m
Estimated Attenuation (on ADSL): 45dB

You are connected to one of the following:
Cabinet 5 which is currently planned to receive FTTC (65% of lines)
Cabinet 53 which is currently planned to receive FTTC (34% of lines)

Our check shows that you cannot currently order FTTC.

No speed estimate is currently avaiable for your line.

i don't understand why their data don't know what cab I am connected to and also what does the percentage of lines mean, do it mean that 65% of the lines going cab 5 will be fibre enabled? If that is the case then that is not many lines. and even less on cab 53.

Adrian

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On ADSL24 using C&W network.
Standard User ccxo
(member) Tue 06-Mar-12 01:31:16
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What the % of lines reffers to is the number of lines on a postcode that go back to that cab.

65% to cab 5 and the final 34% of the postcode goes to cab 53, both will be enabled for FTTC.

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Standard User BuckleZ
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 06-Mar-12 06:01:04
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Data found:

Exchange: Ld/waterside

Recorded Line Length (from exchange): 1218m
Estimated Attenuation (on ADSL): 17dB

You are connected to Cabinet 21 which is currently live and accepting orders for FTTC

Your speed estimate for fibre is:
Downstream: 40Mbps
Upstream: 10Mbps


All the data is correct for me

Standard User Moradin
(regular) Tue 06-Mar-12 07:53:00
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Because they monitor this forum and know how the data has been leaked


And the silence is deafening?

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 06-Mar-12 09:31:58
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[re: ccxo] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by ccxo:
What the % of lines reffers to is the number of lines on a postcode that go back to that cab.

65% to cab 5 and the final 34% of the postcode goes to cab 53, both will be enabled for FTTC.


Ah I see, but they don't know what cabinet i am on, that would make it difficult if I ever had a problem with my line.

Sending all that data at that speed through my line would burn it up smile it is so old.

i may have a walk around over the week end and see if I can find them both, I know where there are a couple of cabs, so I presume it is one of those two.

Adrian

Desktop machine now powered by windows 7 pro 64bit , laptop by ubuntu

On ADSL24 using C&W network.
Standard User acpsd775
(experienced) Tue 06-Mar-12 10:53:52
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[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
thanks tried it out and it gave me some info i always new should of been correct lol

Recorded Line Length (from exchange): 2172m
Estimated Attenuation (on ADSL): 30dB

Actual Atten 40 neighbors auten 30 Phone/broadband provider im lieing its impossible for neighbors authen to be 30 because mines 40 lol [censored] BT sticking me on a [censored] line lol

Ash

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 06-Mar-12 11:30:57
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Odd how people worry about privacy, yet are happy to enter all sorts of address/phone detail into an unknown site?

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Standard User Spasch
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 06-Mar-12 12:29:04
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[re: zyborg47] [link to this post]
 
BT/OpenReach do know which cab you're connected to, but that information is linked to your phone number, not your postcode. This checker uses the postcode against the leaked spreadsheet data to determine the cab.
Standard User iwish
(committed) Tue 06-Mar-12 13:01:05
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[re: acpsd775] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by acpsd775:
thanks tried it out and it gave me some info i always new should of been correct lol

Recorded Line Length (from exchange): 2172m
Estimated Attenuation (on ADSL): 30dB

Actual Atten 40 neighbors auten 30 Phone/broadband provider im lieing its impossible for neighbors authen to be 30 because mines 40 lol [censored] BT sticking me on a [censored] line lol

Ash

Or it could be that there is no more space left on the good line
We have 2 lines into our village, and i am lucky enough to be on that so get auten of 50 instead of the 63 that most get here.
Its just luck
Standard User acpsd775
(experienced) Tue 06-Mar-12 13:05:13
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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Tue 06-Mar-12 16:47:16
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[re: acpsd775] [link to this post]
 
How do we find out about FTTP if the checker doesn't show any information?
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 06-Mar-12 19:46:34
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[re: Adsl24] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Adsl24:
The copyright is in relation to the postcode -> cab link, not the location of the cabs themselves.
I reckon the cabinet >> exchange and the line percentages are also sensitive.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk
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Such a deliberate effort to ensure that a word wasn't picked up (twice) by the language filter that you had to be aware of what you were doing... don't do it again.

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Standard User Bald_Eagle1
(member) Tue 06-Mar-12 21:37:15
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[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
The line distance between the cabinet & the user appears to be even more sensitive information as I have not seen it recorded anywhere, yet to some users (e.g. me) it is critical information, especially when providers state I cannot expect high speeds due to distance from the cabinet.

When taken to task by asking "just what is my recorded distance from the cabinet then?" the silence is deafening.
Standard User Adsl24
(knowledge is power) Tue 06-Mar-12 21:45:23
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I think the issue is that previously it made no difference of the distance to your cab, as ADSL all comes from the exchange, so the full line length was all that mattered.

James
ADSL24 Broadband
http://adsl24.co.uk
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 06-Mar-12 22:19:47
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When taken to task by asking "just what is my recorded distance from the cabinet then?" the silence is deafening.
I'd be fairly sure no-one has any idea. Until FTTC there was no reason ever to wonder about it, never mind record it for the millions of lines in the country.

There isn't a recorded distance from the exchange! Just some strange number arrived at in a way we don't know, some time so long ago that BT Group haven't even got a record of how it was arrived at.

The possibility of recording it from the (now occasional, by the sound of things) JDSU test seems not to have occurred to anyone. Or if it did, it was quickly suppressed as subversive tongue.

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Standard User Bald_Eagle1
(member) Tue 06-Mar-12 22:29:09
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[re: Adsl24] [link to this post]
 
& on ADSL I was lucky to get 1Mb (on a good day) as my whole line length was/is recorded as 5283m (which does appear quite realistic).

My distance from the cab has been verbally reported as 820m, 900m, 1000m & 1100m by visiting BT engineers.

Those couple of hundred metres (measured electronically with JDSU meters) make such a difference to a FTTC connection.
If I knew the real distance, I/we might have some idea whether my connection was actually performing as it should be.

I know it isn't, but can't prove it (yet).
With a bit of luck, this Thursday's visiting engineer will pinpoint the "fault" & fix it once & for all.

My DS sync speed currently varies between 23Mb & almost 30Mb (23.67Mb for the last 6 days or so).

Back in June (original 8c profile) I enjoyed actual downloads at up to 33Mb, suggesting a sync speed of around 35Mb. (I had no access to any stats back then).
In theory, it should be even better on the 17a profile.

EDIT:

@ RobertoS,

Your post that mentions JDSU meters appeared just as I originally sent this response.

Edited by Bald_Eagle1 (Tue 06-Mar-12 22:36:54)

Standard User lockyatlrg
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 06-Mar-12 23:31:03
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Recorded Line Length (from exchange): 2521m
Estimated Attenuation (on ADSL): 35dB

When I was ADSL1 it was 32 and when I was adsl2+ it was 34 id say that's pretty much spot on.

You are connected to one of the following:
Cabinet 21 which is currently planned to receive FTTC (96% of lines)
Cabinet 25 which is currently planned to receive FTTC (1% of lines)
Cabinet 30 which is currently planned to receive FTTC (1% of lines)

Our check shows that your cabinet is currently live and accepting orders for .

Your speed estimate for fibre is:
Downstream: 40Mbps
Upstream: 10Mbps

BT Infinity
ROUTER:-Netgear WNDR37AV
JDSU Stats
Attainable 97040D 35659U
Sync 39999D 9995U
Attenuation: 9.6 SNR: 22.6
Line Length 300meters
Standard User twds
(newbie) Tue 06-Mar-12 23:43:27
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What an absolutely fantastic tool.

Please keep it online
Standard User drsox
(member) Thu 08-Mar-12 00:09:18
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[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
Would have been nice for you to ask before using the usergroup data without attribution.

Please link to the usergroup page when using results sourced from it!

Edit: Also, good tool tongue but it gives the wrong output for my post code, by cabinet is currently closed to orders (I can only assume the cabinet has hit capacity) having previously been enabled and orders go live on it.

Tom - www.mouselike.org

Edited by drsox (Thu 08-Mar-12 00:15:00)

Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Thu 08-Mar-12 08:07:34
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Tom,
I'll add a link to your site as soon as possible smile

Is the full cabinet signified differently on the BTw checker in any way? - Just wondering if there's any way I can check for it.

Alex smile
Standard User Adsl24
(knowledge is power) Thu 08-Mar-12 08:11:24
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[re: madnutter56] [link to this post]
 
No, the BTw public checker will not show any Fibre availability if it's not taking orders - if it was previously doing so and is live. So it will just start to show being available again once they add more capacity or resolve the issue.

James

James
ADSL24 Broadband
http://adsl24.co.uk

Edited by Adsl24 (Thu 08-Mar-12 08:11:51)

Standard User drsox
(member) Thu 08-Mar-12 10:36:43
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It just says it is due to have FTTC by X of April 2012 etc. Even though it already has it wink

Tom - www.mouselike.org
Standard User kitcat
(regular) Thu 08-Mar-12 12:05:38
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[re: zyborg47] [link to this post]
 
BT Openreach know which Cab you are on, but as any number can be on any Cab in the exchange this must be recorded against the phone number.

The data file size would thus be immense and if any leaked it would be a serious breach of the Data protection act as it would count as personal Data, thus a sackable offense and a court case.

Action has previously been taken against ISPs who have 'leaked' the Cabinet data breaking their confidentialty agreements, so I suspect may have been / is being taken now from the Anon posters comments.

As the cab data gets older it is likely to be less accurate as some cabs will prove problematical to do and others will be added, so will end up misleading people. I think that the present set will 'time out' by the end of March and we will see people 'complaining' that it does not reflect the situation on their lines.

There was a disclaimer at the end of the files saying that any of the data could change.
Standard User Moradin
(regular) Thu 08-Mar-12 15:56:52
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breach of the Data protection act as it would count as personal Data,


That statement is complete and utter nonsense.

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Standard User kitcat
(regular) Thu 08-Mar-12 17:16:19
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[re: Moradin] [link to this post]
 
Your telephone number is personal data and as such is covered by the Data protection act.

Any leak of data is therefore a breach. Especially as a number would be ex directory numbers.
Standard User madnutter56
(newbie) Thu 08-Mar-12 18:04:43
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[re: drsox] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by drsox:
It just says it is due to have FTTC by X of April 2012


Oh ok, that's odd as my checker is supposed to notice if the BTw checker lists a date for fibre.
Do you have more than one cabinet serving your postcode? I probably left it out because there's no way to tell which cabinet the date is for.

I'll take a look later anyway when I add the link back to the mouselike page smile
Standard User Moradin
(regular) Thu 08-Mar-12 18:05:24
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1) - It doesn't have phone numbers.

2) - Believe it or not, a phone number is only covered by the Data Protection Act if you live alone. ie: you can be identified.

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Edited by Moradin (Thu 08-Mar-12 18:12:37)

Standard User yesfan
(newbie) Mon 02-Apr-12 10:51:30
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I've lucked out! Kind of.

Data found:

Exchange: Fraddon

Recorded Line Length (from exchange): 187m
Estimated Attenuation (on ADSL): 3dB

You are connected directly to the exchange. Exchange Only lines are currently unable to receive Fibre Technology.

First prize for being closest to the exchange, but no fibre for me.... Roll on FTTP and 300mbit!
Standard User epyon
(committed) Mon 02-Apr-12 12:33:04
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You could surely get the full 25mbps sync and 3mbps upload sync?

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 02-Apr-12 12:45:30
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[re: epyon] [link to this post]
 
Market 1 exchange no LLU or WBC so limited to 8128Kbps sync, best throughput of around 7Mbps.

Which should support all the streamed TV services that are live in the UK.

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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Mon 02-Apr-12 21:43:17
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Market 1 exchange no LLU or WBC so limited to 8128Kbps sync, best throughput of around 7Mbps.
Which should support all the streamed TV services that are live in the UK.


Samknows reckons 21CN by July , and its got an FTTC date of March!

The real problem is that the area covered is very small:

1,625 residential premises
129 non-residential premises.

James - be* pro - on THFB - sync about 17.2mbps - BQM
Standard User 5km
(knowledge is power) Mon 02-Apr-12 22:33:08
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Data found:

Exchange:

No fibre services were found for this postcode.

As expected.

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Standard User yesfan
(newbie) Thu 05-Apr-12 11:53:22
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[re: epyon] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by epyon:
You could surely get the full 25mbps sync and 3mbps upload sync?


Not due for ADSL2+ until august, although this will be an improvement and I can live with this until BT come up with a solution for fibre.
Standard User Saltank
(member) Wed 11-Apr-12 12:17:06
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In reply to a post by 5km:
Data found:

Exchange:

No fibre services were found for this postcode.

As expected.


Same here!

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