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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 12-Mar-12 23:55:31
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Good stuff. Looking at the openreach annual rental.....

40/02 £83
40/10 £89
40/15 £119
80/20 £119


Of course isp costs on top of that, but good to see the cost is only minimally more from BT at least.
The 40/15 price is a legacy product. It was withdrawn from new availability long ago.

So it's a £30pa jump.

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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Tue 13-Mar-12 00:01:25
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So it's a £30pa jump.


Or £2.50/month, which shows how small the OR section of the monthly fee being paid is given to OR.

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Standard User Alnath
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 13-Mar-12 10:04:39
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The estimates are based on 90% of the ports in the cabinet being active.

As more VDSL circuits become active, crosstalk will bring down the sync rates.


Which i already knew and doesnt answer the question really.


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Standard User lee111s
(regular) Tue 13-Mar-12 11:00:52
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In reply to a post by lee111s:
The estimates are based on 90% of the ports in the cabinet being active.

As more VDSL circuits become active, crosstalk will bring down the sync rates.


Which i already knew and doesnt answer the question really.


Firsly you didn't ask a question.

Secondly, if you knew that, then it was a stupid post. There might only be 10% utilisation of the ports at the moment so the max sync rate, which is based on current noise levels, will be what it is, in your case over 120mbps. As time passes and ports fill up, more noise (crosstalk) will be introduced and this will reduce the maximum sync Ultimately, it's an ESTIMATION.
Standard User Bald_Eagle1
(member) Tue 13-Mar-12 12:11:57
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There might only be 10% utilisation of the ports at the moment so the max sync rate, which is based on current noise levels, will be what it is, in your case over 120mbps. As time passes and ports fill up, more noise (crosstalk) will be introduced and this will reduce the maximum sync Ultimately, it's an ESTIMATION.


Is there any way for end users to measure the level of crosstalk?

If not, is there any way to get this detail either from an ISP or from BT?

Are there any symptoms of crosstalk, such as reduced output power etc. that can be detected from the OR modem's stats?

Finally, is crosstalk noise always at a constant level 24/7 (until another user is connected with a new FTTC service)?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 13-Mar-12 13:09:50
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Cross talk no - it is variable just like external RF noise.

it can be modelled, hence the checker estimates. With ADSL2+ it was generally minimal, and dont expect massive drops on VDSL2.

The 80 Meg limit is not the maximum for VDSL2 it can go further. The ANFP is the limiting factor again, but Vectoring is likely to meet ANFP and bring further enhancements.

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Standard User lee111s
(regular) Tue 13-Mar-12 13:42:02
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Indeed, I think VDLS 2 is capable up to 250meg.

Vectoring will be awesome when it's implemented as it pretty much makes crosstalk non existent.

There's also been trials of bonded VDSL2 lines giving 500meg at 400meters I believe.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 13-Mar-12 14:23:20
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I f ISPs are charging more for 80Mbps , then why can't they offer a a speed lower than 40Mbps and charge less for that?


I would pay what I am paying now if a little more to get 10Mbps on fibre if it had a decent FUP. Considering that ADSL is up to 16/24Mbps depending on the provider.


A few people may not be able to afford the extra for fibre, and will be stuck with the slow speed they have got unless they are close to the exchange.

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Tue 13-Mar-12 15:31:59
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Just off the phone with BT Retail sales team

The rep said, as far as he is ware, the BT Retail 80/20 will be an automatic upgrade from 40/10 for BT Infinity customers with no action needed by the customers to get the upgrade.

He did say however he had not officially been told what was happening
Standard User roboraver
(newbie) Tue 13-Mar-12 15:47:02
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I can't see that being the case (Wish it was) but if there is a charge that BT Retail have to pay Openreach for the extra speed then that will be passed onto use the consumers (Like TalkTalk is with their package).

Wish I am wrong though,
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