Faceplate: Why?

Hello

I've been told that once the engineer has gone, I can replace the faceplate that they fitted with the original and plug the modem (with a mircofilter) into any socket in a similiar way with ADSL. I have good wiring in the house and get 19mb with BE*.

Is this true? If so, why isn't FTTC a self-install?

Thanks,

Steve

In reply to a post by boxst:

Hello

I've been told that once the engineer has gone, I can replace the faceplate that they fitted with the original and plug the modem (with a mircofilter) into any socket in a similiar way with ADSL. I have good wiring in the house and get 19mb with BE*.

Is this true? If so, why isn't FTTC a self-install?

Thanks,

Steve

The use of a filter faceplate goes back to the original method for ASDL before it became self-install, so no doubt when FTTC becomes self-install we shall see a return to plug in micro filters.

This will be a pity, and all the problems which manifest themselves when using normal extension wiring will return, only more so with VDSL.

Edited by deleted (Wed 14-Mar-12 11:05:21)

Can you even use the same micro-filters?

I have to say I was under the (completely wrong) impression that the faceplate did something miraculous rather than just split the line and filter off the rest of the wiring.

Steve

Yes. But what's the problem in keeping the installation as done by the engineer? He won't wreck your existing wiring.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Yes. But what's the problem in keeping the installation as done by the engineer? He won't wreck your existing wiring.

Im guessing the op wants to plug the FTTC modem into one of the extensions instead of the master which with the filter in place would not work because the broadband signal would be filtered before it hits the extension, (based on my current ADSL set-up with pre filtered faceplate)

Just my guess anyway

Ash

Yes, this.

The master socket is in the children's playroom and I want to plug in the modem in my study on the other side of the house.

In reply to a post by boxst:

Can you even use the same micro-filters?

I have to say I was under the (completely wrong) impression that the faceplate did something miraculous rather than just split the line and filter off the rest of the wiring.

Steve

Yes you can use the same micro-filters, but do not be supprised if the performance on VDSL suffers using your original extension wiring. Suck it and see.

Best method is as below (I've copied it from a post I made on another forum), if you use your existing wiring then I suspect it's only normal phone wiring and it could be susceptible to interference.

If your capable of basic wiring you can run your own extension for the modem, I would not want any of BT's cables going any further than my master socket - BT own them and it is illegal to tamper with or alter them, this includes extensions they fit.

BT will fit a new master socket face plate, you can legally remove the lower section of the face plate, inside are two teminals marked A & B (see link below), you need to run CAT5E network cable from these two terminals to a RJ45 socket next to your modem. You need to use 1 pair of the wires in the cable, and connect these to pins 4 & 5 which is the blue/bule-white terminals in the RJ45 socket. The RJ11 modem cable will plug into this socket and your modem.

The CAT5E cable has 4 pairs of wires, so you can use another pair to run a telephone extension to where your modem is as well, all in the same cable

You will need a Krone punch down tool, I recommend this one http://www.clarity.it/xca...38&cat=257&page=1 and avoid running the cable with power cables as they can cause interference.

Uselful links:

VDSL2 extension and socket http://phil.lavin.me.uk/2...-uk-fttc-vdsl2-explained/
Telephone wiring - http://www.rob-r.co.uk/other/UKphonecatwiring.htm and http://www.wppltd.demon.c...lephone/uk_telephone.html
Parts and further guides http://www.clarity.it/
Cat5e cable http://www.clarity.it/xca...6214&cat=0&page=1 cheaper sources can be found.

In reply to a post by R0NSKI:

I would not want any of BT's cables going any further than my master socket - BT own them and it is illegal to tamper with or alter them, this includes extensions they fit.

Errrm? I think you are wrong there.

Extension cabling and sockets belong to you, with (IIRC) a 12-month warranty.

The Data extension cable may be a special case, as it is used to move the modem away from the master. Or sometimes to re-site the master, in which case as you say, it becomes illegal to tamper with.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by R0NSKI:

I would not want any of BT's cables going any further than my master socket - BT own them and it is illegal to tamper with or alter them, this includes extensions they fit.

Errrm? I think you are wrong there.

Extension cabling and sockets belong to you, with (IIRC) a 12-month warranty.

The Data extension cable may be a special case, as it is used to move the modem away from the master. Or sometimes to re-site the master, in which case as you say, it becomes illegal to tamper with.

The data extension is also yours, and remains so should you cease FTTC service, but of course the modem has to be returned.

Edited by deleted (Wed 14-Mar-12 14:58:19)

The data extension is also yours, and remains so should you cease FTTC service, but of course the modem has to be returned.

Thanks .

Only, what if it is used to move the master? That being the demarcation point.

The modem has to be returned? You're probably right, but I don't think I've seen it in either the IDNet or Plusnet T & Cs.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

The data extension is also yours, and remains so should you cease FTTC service, but of course the modem has to be returned.

Thanks .

Only, what if it is used to move the master? That being the demarcation point.

The modem has to be returned? You're probably right, but I don't think I've seen it in either the IDNet or Plusnet T & Cs.

Well if the data extension is used to move the master, then it is no longer extension wiring, being on the wrong side of the demarcation . The modem is the property of Openreach, so I suppose they will contact the ISP for it back, and they would contact you.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Errrm? I think you are wrong there.

I think I could well be now, I was going by information that was posted in the guides on Clarity.it website (as well as others), but he seems to have altered the guide very recently, in fact it states rewrite in progress 6-03-2012.

He used to say it was very unlikely BT would pick up that anyone had altered a BT installed extension, so perhaps thats why it is now simply the NTE5 and any wiring before it. IE the demarcation point.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

But what's the problem in keeping the installation as done by the engineer? He won't wreck your existing wiring.

Actually he did wreck mine. With my old BT ADSL faceplate, the filtered extension sockets around the house worked fine. Since the openreach man changed it for a new FTTC faceplate, phones plugged into the extension sockets don't ring. They work fine otherwise, but don't ring.

The engineer messed up then. Or the faceplate is faulty. Raise a ticket. House visit though .

But if it was a while ago, Openreach may not believe you.

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 17-Mar-12 09:53:52)

I suspect he/she left the ring wire off when refitting the customer connection plate to fit the new VSDL filter faceplate.

Long/Short-term fix.

Either check what systemx suggests and sort it out if you feel competent, or try using a dangly filter in a socket where the phones don't ring. That's if you need them to.

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 17-Mar-12 10:17:09)

Thanks. I noticed he didn't replace the rear part of the NTE5, just fitted the new faceplate onto my old NTE5 with BT piper logo if that makes any difference. He left an openreach branded NTE5 backplate behind in the packet.

I recently rewired my brothers house, put a new filtered face plate on the NTE5, cat5e to the modem/phone socket and just used the two wires for the phone, I deliberately left out the ringer wire as that's what I believe the advice is these days. His new phone rings but the old phone didn't so he just bought another £6 phone from Argos, problem solved without puting the ringer wire back in which can cause problems with the ADSL apparently.

PS. I've never used the ringer wire in my house, and the phone is OK - Dect Cordless, think it just affects old phones.

Edited by R0NSKI (Sat 17-Mar-12 10:44:11)

Ring wire is not used in most of the world, hence most phones don't use it.

If you have a filtered faceplate, then no problem having it connected on any filtered extensions.