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Standard User tonycollinet
(newbie) Tue 10-Apr-12 22:06:49
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OK - after finding out our cabinet is not currently planned to be upgraded, in a town where most are, I'm going to try to get the neighbours motivated to register interest.

I'll be leafleting next weekend - and I've also put up the info on a website. Would appreciate any suggestions for improvements:
http://tonycollinet.dyndns.org/fibre4us2/
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 10-Apr-12 22:19:19
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Neat - just need to fix the spacing on bullet point 3.
Standard User Saltank
(member) Wed 11-Apr-12 12:14:16
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Good idea, I'm curious to see how it goes!

I'm kind of in the same boat, and thought that maybe I'd spread the word. There are about 70 flats in my building, but I don't know how many are occupied as it's a brand new build.
I was told by my openreach engineer that my line is connected to a cabinet nearby, but to date I've never been able to find which one, so I would have difficulty explaining it to neighbours.

I had shot an email to Hyperoptic about perhaps getting the building hooked up, but after initial contact I've not heard from them.

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Standard User tonycollinet
(newbie) Thu 12-Apr-12 07:01:27
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I had a fun time listening to you all looking at the pages (The site is served from a little nas drive sitting on my desk. Every time it rattled, I had a look, and sure enough there were another couple of views smile )

In reply to a post by Spasch:
Neat - just need to fix the spacing on bullet point 3.


Thanks for the spot - will be fixed.

In reply to a post by Saltank:
Good idea, I'm curious to see how it goes!

I'm kind of in the same boat, and thought that maybe I'd spread the word. There are about 70 flats in my building, but I don't know how many are occupied as it's a brand new build.
I was told by my openreach engineer that my line is connected to a cabinet nearby, but to date I've never been able to find which one, so I would have difficulty explaining it to neighbours.

I had shot an email to Hyperoptic about perhaps getting the building hooked up, but after initial contact I've not heard from them.


I'm expecting a resounding burst of apathy - but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
Standard User iand
(experienced) Fri 13-Apr-12 20:34:15
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How many houses did you stick a flyer through. I am thinking about doing the same for about 450 houses

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Standard User tonycollinet
(learned) Sat 14-Apr-12 11:16:47
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Haven't leafleted yet - hopefully this weekend. But I estimate only around 50-60 houses.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 14-Apr-12 11:45:58
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I'm looking at doing something similar.

However I work for an Internet Service Provider with a fibre/wireless presents where I live.

I'll therefore be looking at alternatives to BT! ... If they are not going to provide service why should you/I campaign to get them to? There are plenty or other companies that could do a better job, may be you should contact some of them first saying that BT will not be providing FTTC!

As I'm in a flat I can look at the possibility of doing FTTB then Ethernet to each property. This means it would be possible to provide 1Gbps to each flat, something FTTC will never be able to do.

In short you really should look at other options that don't involve BT.

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Standard User tonycollinet
(learned) Sat 14-Apr-12 11:48:29
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That would be great - but do you really think there would be any chance of an alternate provide being able to make a profit by installing infrastructure to serve just a small number of properties?

I don't
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(deleted) Sat 14-Apr-12 11:54:39
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NO, not for 50-60 properties. Which would likely only be 10~20 residents that would take the service.

But there will likely be more cabinets in the area that have been missed. If 100~200 people are interested and it is possible to connect them all to the same fibre backhaul with wireless then there might be a business case.

I guess the cabinet you connect to only serves 60 homes then?

Do you know of other cabinets that have been missed?
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(deleted) Sat 14-Apr-12 12:29:32
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Doesn't look like there are that many being missed. Most are out of town.

http://batchgeo.com/map/1c3f6cecbacdb5d29a76497110cf...
Standard User tonycollinet
(learned) Sat 14-Apr-12 12:40:04
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Wow - how was that map generated? I've only been able to plot the FTTC postcodes, not the missing ones.

Any way of telling what the red postcodes are? I can expand my leafleting.

Thanks.

EDIT: Never mind - I can click on the marker and it gives me the postcode. I'd still be interested in how to generate the map though, and if the dataset is available online anywhere.

Thanks

Edited by tonycollinet (Sat 14-Apr-12 12:48:51)

Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 14-Apr-12 12:46:45
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You can click on them ... but to save you the time here is a list:-

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SAU_ID  Name    Postcode        SAU_NODE_ID     Exchange Only Flag      Percent Lines   Uplift  Phase   Deployed        Technology
WMALS   ALSAGER CW1 5UJ {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER CW1 5UT {WMALS}{p12}    0       50      3.93            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER CW1 5UU {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER CW1 5UX {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER CW1 5UY {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER CW1 5XB {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER CW1 5XD {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER CW1 5XE {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER CW1 5XF {WMALS}{p12}    0       14.28   3.93            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER CW2 5NU {WMALS}{p12}    0       70      3.93            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER CW2 5NX {WMALS}{p12}    0       87.5    3.93            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER CW2 5NY {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER CW2 5PA {WMALS}{p12}    0       33.33   3.93            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER CW2 5PD {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER CW2 5PE {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER CW2 5PF {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER CW2 5PG {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER CW2 5PH {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER CW2 5PL {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER CW2 5PQ {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER CW2 5PR {WMALS}{p12}    0       95.3    3.93            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER CW2 5PS {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER CW2 5PT {WMALS}{p12}    0       100     3.93            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER ST7 3EF {WMALS}{p12}    0       1.66    3.93            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2EW {WMALS}{p18}    0       25      2.32            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2EZ {WMALS}{p18}    0       30.76   2.32            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2HA {WMALS}{p18}    0       50      2.32            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2DF {WMALS}{p25}    0       81.39   3.33            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2XH {WMALS}{p25}    0       8.33    3.33            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2YB {WMALS}{p25}    0       85.33   3.33            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2YF {WMALS}{p25}    0       100     3.33            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2YH {WMALS}{p25}    0       38.88   3.33            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2YP {WMALS}{p25}    0       44.44   3.33            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2YR {WMALS}{p25}    0       100     3.33            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2AD {WMALS}{p8}     0       100     2.69            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2LN {WMALS}{p8}     0       4       2.69            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2LT {WMALS}{p8}     0       100     2.69            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2LU {WMALS}{p8}     0       100     2.69            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2LX {WMALS}{p8}     0       100     2.69            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2LZ {WMALS}{p8}     0       100     2.69            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2NA {WMALS}{p8}     0       42      2.69            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2RZ {WMALS}{p8}     0       100     2.69            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2UL {WMALS}{p8}     0       8.33    2.69            NO      ADSLWMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2XT {WMALS}{p8}     0       100     2.69            NO      ADSL
WMALS   ALSAGER ST7 2XW {WMALS}{p8}     0       100     2.69            NO      ADSL


Data is all from the spreadsheet that BT OR leaked last year:-

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28466011/PCP%20to%20Postcode...
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(deleted) Sat 14-Apr-12 12:51:09
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In reply to a post by tonycollinet:
EDIT: Never mind - I can click on the marker and it gives me the postcode. I'd still be interested in how to generate the map though, and if the dataset is available online anywhere.

Thanks
Just go to http://batchgeo.com/ and past in some data...
Standard User tonycollinet
(learned) Sat 14-Apr-12 12:57:34
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Thanks - just what I needed. Can you leave the map up on batchgeo so that I can link to it.
Cheers
Tony
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(deleted) Sat 14-Apr-12 13:03:59
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So long as the map is viewed at least once every 60 days then batchgeo won't automatically delete it.
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(Unregistered)Sat 14-Apr-12 13:29:47
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you have 3 choices

1 ensure included in BDUK plan for county
look at alternative tehcnology (unliely to be open infrasstructrue)
or you privately fund the Cab (through community) - -- open ifnrastructure- information on how to deal with Openreach if you have private funding is on Openreach website FAQ
Standard User tonycollinet
(learned) Sat 14-Apr-12 18:22:09
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In reply to a post by 5km:
You can click on them ... but to save you the time here is a list:-

data snipped

Data is all from the spreadsheet that BT OR leaked last year:-

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28466011/PCP%20to%20Postcode...


I've downloaded that file, but as far as I can see it does not contain the data you show above (IE The postcodes NOT planned for FTTC). I can only see postcodes which ARE planned. Is there another version of file somewhere?
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(deleted) Sat 14-Apr-12 18:27:36
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I edited the part I uploaded to batchgeo.

Post codes that are blank for "Deployed" and "FTTC or FTTP" are the ones not being enabled.
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 14-Apr-12 23:11:26
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On the website you put "Even if you are not interested in Broadband internet, this will still affect you. There is growing evidence that availability of high speed broadband has an impact on property prices.". You should put "this may still affect you" as they may not be thinking of selling and staying put.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 15-Apr-12 00:34:46
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In reply to a post by tonycollinet:
I've downloaded that file, but as far as I can see it does not contain the data you show above (IE The postcodes NOT planned for FTTC). I can only see postcodes which ARE planned. Is there another version of file somewhere?
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Standard User TechGuyUK
(newbie) Sun 15-Apr-12 11:30:27
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Hi Tony,

I have been through exactly the process you are looking at and most of the progress we made is documented online here:

http://www.coton-park-broadband.co.uk/home/latest-ne...

Once you have everyone you can registering interest, the key thing is to get your MP on board. This got us from having to pay for the cab, to getting it approved in just over two months and installed 6 months later (including an unrelated 3 month planning delay)

We have gone from 2Mb to an 80/20 service in under a year and used all the capacity on the fibre cab, which is now awaiting a "Cab refresh" for more properties to come online.

Hope this helps,

TechGuyUK
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