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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Tue 01-May-12 14:23:52
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tim_n


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Hi all - I recently bought a house which was wired by the electrical engineer who lived there.

He obviously had different standards to I, a non electrically qualified person.

He also took it upon himself to remove the BT master socket and rewire it with old bits of cables joined together. I have so far found six seperate junction boxes which join the various bits of speaker wire, old Cat 3 and in some parts entirely bare wire nailed to the rafters with metal pins.

I am suprised I match my neighbours 2MB speed. However I have signed up for Fibre and it will be installed next week.

This in mind I have located the BT white junction box and have got a standard NTE5 box which I'm going to run cat 6 cable to.

Effectively I'm aware that interfering with the box is illegal, but seeing as it has already been stripped from my property (I have no evidence it ever existed) by the previous owner and the ancient wire is in evidence, will a BT engineer who is merely popping in to change a face plate going to make an issue over it for me (and I guess fill in all the paperwork associated?) or will he be happy that:

a) it works and
b) he can just swap over the faceplates?

Should point out I'm adept at making/installing cabling - used to do a fair bit of network wiring so this sort of job isn't a toughie.

Cheers,

Tim

NB after the 'shocking' discovery of live mains wires hidden in a telephone extension socket last night I have finally decided the next big job will be a house rewire...
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 01-May-12 14:29:20
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Not all homes were ever fitted with an NTE5, so engineer should have one on the van, and be ready to install it, hence regularise the installation.

Get them to ignore any extension wiring, just put in the master socket, and make sure that that works. Then you are free to install any phone extensions that you need from its faceplate. Also avoids any side effects from bits of old wiring you have not found yet.

Make life easy by identifying where you think the master should go, most likely replace the first junction box inside the property. Move furniture of the way etc

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Standard User timneo
(newbie) Tue 01-May-12 14:38:04
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I need to rerun it into a more sensible place anyway - it's currently running into a socket by the tap (another excellent decision by the previous owner)

I'm going to try and run it through the conduit of an old extension cable (no electrics in it as far as I know)

Thanks for the reply Mr Saffron!


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Standard User MHC
(legend) Tue 01-May-12 16:36:07
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As Mr S says - get it "Regularised".

Make sure everything past the first box is disconnected and tell the technician it was an awful mess when you moved in xx days ago. Tea and biscuits will not go amiss and if you need any you might even get some CW1308 to extend your phones.

As for the Cat6 - terminate that in a box adjacent to where the NTE5 will be and use a patch lead - make it easier for disconnecting or removing the face plate.


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Standard User timneo
(newbie) Tue 01-May-12 19:42:21
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hmmm. Don't know what regularised is! Do you mean standard BT cable? I have no idea what that looks like as I don't have any here!

I took out the old rubbish and replaced with Cat6. My broadband speed has jumped from 2mbits to 4mbits. Ping over wifi is 49ms which is better than the 65ms it was before!

I can run the 'regularised' cable to the new box instead if need be - will they mind the cat 6?
Standard User MHC
(legend) Tue 01-May-12 19:49:17
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"Regularised" means that the incoming wire is terminated in a BT supplied NTE5 and all other wiring removed. Everything is then clean and no third party rubbish remaining.


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Standard User timneo
(newbie) Tue 01-May-12 19:50:59
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thanks - where do I get hold of a BT box? I've bought one from Maplins, but it's unbranded. Ebay?
Standard User timneo
(newbie) Tue 01-May-12 19:55:40
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Sorry, probably not as clear as I should have been.

The BT Line comes into the property and terminates in a 4 way box. The rubbish wiring comes out of that.

I have replaced the rubbish wiring with the Cat6 from the BT branded 4 way into a Maplins non branded NTE5.

The ADSL router is now plugged into that. No extensions - we have a DECT phone we use so no need.

I do have additional Cat6 which goes off to a computer.
Standard User MHC
(legend) Tue 01-May-12 20:09:30
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You don't need to provide the NTE. Where the wire comes in, BT will install their NTE5 and that is the demarcation point. You can do what you want from the front plate onwards but can do NOTHING to the incoming wires or termination.


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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 01-May-12 20:31:10
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Where does the BT line enter the building? Where do you want the master and/or the modem, and then the router?

It sounds probable you are doing unnecessary (and illegitimate) work, but also might as a side-effect be installing some CAT6 that could prove very convenient.

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Standard User timneo
(newbie) Tue 01-May-12 21:28:22
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The wire comes in under the roof tiles into the loft and terminate in a 4 way connection plate. Nothing else BT wise follows that point. Everything else has been installed by the previous owner. It's not a 5 min job to get to it as you need to traverse the insulation to get to this point. I've run cat 6 from this point into the lounge instead of the kitchen sink. The router is now in the lounge with the new master switch (non BT)
Standard User Ribble
(committed) Tue 01-May-12 21:58:02
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If they ask, which they may well do considering the non standard NTE, just expalin you have just moved in and this is how it was. They will probably/should change it for an Openreach NTE and fit the VDSL faceplate.
Standard User qasdfdsaq
(learned) Tue 01-May-12 22:11:22
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In reply to a post by Ribble:
If they ask, which they may well do considering the non standard NTE, just expalin you have just moved in and this is how it was. They will probably/should change it for an Openreach NTE and fit the VDSL faceplate.

Seconded.

Given that you really did just recently move in, there's no way for them to prove otherwise.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 01-May-12 22:13:42
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smile
Sounds good.

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Standard User timneo
(newbie) Tue 01-May-12 22:23:07
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Thanks all - I might need to tidy it all up a bit seeing as there is another extension about 1ft away and the one in the kitchen is pretty all over the place!
Standard User Squirrel
(knowledge is power) Tue 01-May-12 23:53:29
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
It sounds probable you are doing unnecessary (and illegitimate) work

Ah - some work whose mother isn't married !!!

Standard User timneo
(newbie) Thu 03-May-12 14:29:30
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Today line is sitting happily at 7.15mbits

Annoyed! Don't need FTTC now! Shame I've already ordered it!

Amazing what a difference a bit of Cat 6 has made.

Decided to put the line back 'as is'. Using some links from robertos site, I've identifed which is my master socket and it is indeed the original one I disconnected - but it's obviously been moved sometime in the last 20 years by the previous owner. My master socket is a pre 1982 one.

When the guy turns up, I'll take him to it. Hopefully he'll wire it up without taking much notice and I'll have fibre at much reduced speeds. Once he's gone, I can then 'sort it out' or alternatively if he's a nice guy who doesn't look like he'll mind I'll show him the new disconnected illegal socket which'll do a top job.

Thanks everyone for your help and advice. I was hoping to leave it to the wife to deal with but I can see it'll probably need my blagging skills.

Edited by timneo (Thu 03-May-12 14:36:13)

Standard User kasg
(experienced) Thu 03-May-12 14:37:22
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Annoyed! Don't need FTTC now! Shame I've already ordered it!

Assuming you're expecting somewhere near the maximum speed, once you get it I assure you you will soon wonder how you managed without it!

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Standard User timneo
(newbie) Thu 03-May-12 15:50:51
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hehe, yes still looking forward to it. I wish I'd installed Cat6 cabling through the rennovated bit of the house, now it's plastered in there is little I can do. Mind you, it's still Cat5e so should be OK for gigabit!

Next I need to rip out the mulitude of aerial cabling in the loft - the guy before was a bit of a radio nut and had four telegraph poles in the garden with an assortment of 14 aerials and several sat dishes. There's still an AM radio in my loft and about 30-45 different aerial leads I need to remove! I'm sure it's creating some sort of faraday cage (less need for tin foil hats)

I've also applied for the plusnet 80/20 trial. It was good I did because apparently their system can't take more than one order at a time - my new telephone line had overwritten my fibre order and whilst I thought an engineer was coming out tuesday, that had been cancelled! Instead though they're sticking me straight onto the 80/20 trial instead but it'll be a week later!
Standard User R0NSKI
(member) Thu 03-May-12 21:26:22
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Sounds like your having right fun and games with the spaghetti wiring.

Cat5e will be fine for Gigabit, I've completely wired my house with it, although most of it was shielded cable and it runs fine, regularly max out my network connection with transfers from/to my server.

Standard User timneo
(newbie) Mon 21-May-12 11:31:39
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Engineer is going to be here in the next hour and a half.

Everything as was, plus the additional lines.

Bad part about putting the new line in (Well, mixed blessing) - found I had woodworm infestation in the skirting. Pulled carpet up, yep, in floorboards too.

Oh well, expensive business this broadband installation m'larky
Standard User timneo
(newbie) Mon 21-May-12 13:49:27
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Not sure what the point of booking an appointment is if the BT engineers "couldn't find a resource".

Fairly annoyed, I guess I'll be sitting here until 6 then. A perfect waste of a day! Grr
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