Data extension

Hello.

I have fibre broadband. What I want to do is as follows.
I want to move my office. I want to leave my master socket in the office (where it currently is).

I want to run an extension for the fibre broadband. I know I can just get a cat5e RJ11 cable but I would rather have a proper extension socket etc.

Is it possible to hardwire an extension into the master for just the fibre broadband? & then have a wall mounted box at the other end?

EDIT: Might just leave it though, looks like work I can't be bothered with...

Edited by ukhardy07 (Mon 24-Dec-12 09:39:46)

Depending how recent the interstitial VDSL2 filter plate is, you may find on removing the NTE5A that there are a couple of IDC connectors at the top left of the filter plate. A/B for just that, I believe. I expect you would need a filter at the extension end as well, but an XTF-68/85 should do. There was a picture linked to a bit back.

Edit - Amazon pic, (out of stock)

Edited by RobertoS (Mon 24-Dec-12 10:14:51)

Have a look at the pictures linked to in my signature.

Thinking about it, my idea is too complex. A straight CAT5 extension from the NTE5A to an XTF, wired from the NTE5, and remove the VDSL2 filter sounds easiest.

Edited by RobertoS (Mon 24-Dec-12 10:34:46)

Ok great stuff I know what to do now then
My socket does have this terminal on the NTE5

Edited by ukhardy07 (Mon 24-Dec-12 10:30:48)

See my later post. That A/B is going to be unfiltered and not the best solution in your case.

I am wondering. In the server room is that a filtered socket or not?

Where it says 'ADSL connection on middle section' in your photo's, would this be filtered or unfiltered via this connection?

Would this be wired from the front of the NTE5 fibre socket?

Edited by ukhardy07 (Mon 24-Dec-12 10:38:34)

In reply to a post by ukhardy07:

I am wondering. In the server room is that a filtered socket or not?

Where it says 'ADSL connection on middle section' in your photo's, would this be filtered or unfiltered via this connection?

That's what I'm saying, those are A/B connectors so unfiltered.

Wiring that way is just what I described in my fiorst post. My second post removes the new filter so is neater at the master. At the extension you want one of these.

But is it possible to run a filtered extension from the NTE5 without plugging it in at the front of the socket? I want it all hidden behind the walls you see.

I might just leave it as this is on the 2nd line I have.

Edited by ukhardy07 (Mon 24-Dec-12 10:42:18)

From the IDC terminals on the back of the normal NTE5A faceplate. In other words, a normal unfiltered extension (with the Openreach VDSL2 filter plate removed and stored).

According to all engineer posts here there is nothing special about the new OR one, just cheaper and easier to fit than the older OR filtered faceplate for ADSLx, as that needed extensions reconnected.

Openreach took my old plate on both installs. I only have the fibre fronts unfortunately.

Would there be a performance degration using the unfiltered port on the fibre socket?

None of my suggestions and R0NSKI's have the extension plugged into the front of the master. All are wired inside the master box, just two variants. Either of which will do but what's the point of retaining the OR filter when it isn't in use.

Unless you might want to swap the modem form one location to the other at will.

Uh. Not so. I have to go now for a bit, but look closer. You have an NTE5 (the wall bit), a VDSL2 filter screwed into it, and a standard NTE5A faceplate screwed into that. See the pic on my FTTx page.

The neatest is remove that middle bit, CAT5 wire the extension from the T2 and T5 IDC connectors on the faceplate, and fit the XTF at the extension.

Do you need the modem in the office? Why not just leave the modem next to the master socket and run standard ethernet to the router in the office? You could use the ethernet as a normal cable, or put in ethernet sockets as most convenient.

In reply to a post by ukhardy07:

I am wondering. In the server room is that a filtered socket or not?

Where it says 'ADSL connection on middle section' in your photo's, would this be filtered or unfiltered via this connection?

In those pictures the filter is in the hall way, I then have a CAT5 cable running into the server room, one twisted pair for the telephone, which is filtered, another pair for the modem - the two terminals highlighted are designed for data extensions and do not need any further filters, just don't connect them to anything other than the modem. For telephone extensions you use the group of 3 IDC connectors

It's really straight forward, especially if you have a Krone punch down tool, hardest part is hiding the cables away.

PS Since Photobucket changed to the beta system it doesn't seem to show the media info by default, you need to click the media info drop down on the right if using the beta website.

That's a nice setup

In reply to a post by 4M2:

That's a nice setup

Thanks, full spec is here

Using CAT5 for the extension gives you several alternative options - I guess having the modem in the hall wouldn't be convenient overall though...

When we had FTTC installed I actually had the master socket moved to the server room, so we didn't have a large filter and BT socket stuck on the wall in the hall looking unsightly, the pictures in my guide were done prior to the FTTC installation.

The only downside is that I haven't been able to plug the modem in, in the hall way to rule out the CAT5 cable being a problem and reducing my speed, but it's unlikely to be the problem, and if it was I have no idea what I'd do as it's under laminate flooring which can't be taken up anyway.

Looking at the photos, It appears that you are using a RJ11 to connect to the socket marked ADSL. This should be fine but I would replace it with an RJ45 just to rule out any problems it might cause.

Thanks, I'm actually using a custom made 450mm RJ11 CAT6 cable now, I'm aware that there is a possibility for the RJ11 cable to move in the socket, but that's unlikely.

In reply to a post by R0NSKI:

When we had FTTC installed I actually had the master socket moved to the server room, so we didn't have a large filter and BT socket stuck on the wall in the hall looking unsightly, the pictures in my guide were done prior to the FTTC installation.

The only downside is that I haven't been able to plug the modem in, in the hall way to rule out the CAT5 cable being a problem and reducing my speed, but it's unlikely to be the problem, and if it was I have no idea what I'd do as it's under laminate flooring which can't be taken up anyway.

If the throughput speeds are more than adequate for you needs without locating the modem as close as possible to the NTE5 then, as I said before, it's a nice setup

Just out of interest: what is the approx length of the CAT5 extension?

In reply to a post by 4M2:

Just out of interest: what is the approx length of the CAT5 extension?

I would say it's about 4 meters, I doubt very much that it's the CAT5 affecting the speeds, which are adequate for now

In reply to a post by R0NSKI:

I'm aware that there is a possibility for the RJ11 cable to move in the socket, but that's unlikely.

To paraphrase Sherlock Holmes, when all the likely causes of a problem have been eliminated, it is time to consider the unlikely. Only in his case the words were "possible" and "impossible".

I can vouch for the fact that a tiny fraction of looseness of a plug in a socket can cause untold havoc. Many times have I amazed customers with a problem, who claim to have tried everything therefore the equipment must be faulty, by disconnecting every (relevant) network, power and printer cable, reconnecting them, and seeing everything work sweetly once more.

A prime candidate used to be Centronics printer connections. They could appear absolutely firm, but .... Ethernet cable connections less common, but vulnerable. The modern three-pin connector as used in kettles as well as computer kit can work loose over time, but a on casual look appear fine.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Many times have I amazed customers with a problem, who claim to have tried everything therefore the equipment must be faulty, by disconnecting every (relevant) network, power and printer cable, reconnecting them, and seeing everything work sweetly once more.

I seem to do that all the time. People claim that problems disappear when I walk into the office, but in reality it's after I check all connectors.

Considering where it is, behind the server it's unlikely to get knocked/moved, and I've already tried a different cable/faceplate.

I must admit it is a bit of a mismatch., so why do BT supply an RJ11 cable, but an RJ45 socket on the faceplate?

In reply to a post by R0NSKI:

Considering where it is, behind the server it's unlikely to get knocked/moved, and I've already tried a different cable/faceplate.

I must admit it is a bit of a mismatch., so why do BT supply an RJ11 cable, but an RJ45 socket on the faceplate?

The filtered faceplates which I use (pressac) have RJ45 sockets into which I connect RJ11 plugs and never have any problems, even when my pet cat leaps about near one!

Edit: actually I do have an RJ11 to RJ45 male to female adaptor which make it possible to use an ethernet cable as an adsl cable: the RJ45 ethernet plug goes into the filtered faceplate and the adaptor goes into the RJ11 socket of a modem/router.

Edited by 4M2 (Mon 24-Dec-12 17:43:04)

In reply to a post by R0NSKI:

Considering where it is, behind the server it's unlikely to get knocked/moved, and I've already tried a different cable/faceplate.

I must admit it is a bit of a mismatch., so why do BT supply an RJ11 cable, but an RJ45 socket on the faceplate?

The idea was that a normal patch cable could be used if connecting to a panel.

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Very merry Christmas everyone, the Cockburns and cheese beckons (hic)

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