No Plans Available - Due November?

I am in an area served by a cabinet which apparently has a lot of 'profile' on it, however it's proving tough to get any specific information.

There appears to be no schedule at all for it beyond that it'll be complete by the end of the year. Is it normal for there to be 4 months to go and there still to be no plan of works to build out a cabinet?

Hunslet / MYHLT 82 is being watched by a number of people locally and from BT at a national level so it would seem odd if there are still no construction plans or timescales for when this beast is scheduled to go in.

Anyone reached out to NGA Enquiries, etc, and been unable to get information this close to enabling time?

I doubt anything has changed from previously

I am trying to remember how mine went (which I did update on here which I think you followed).

But if I remember right I contacted NGA, they gave me an estimated date, at the time was no activity but I did have an estimated speed. So the first sign from my experience is a estimated speed appearing on the checker.

Then I think 2 or 3 months before I went live the cab went in and shortly after that cables were blown through the ducts. Once the cabinet went in the rest happened fairly fast. This is the cabinet opposite my window which isnt my cabinet. I am just assuming my cabinet had a similiar process.

edit

ok seems it was more than 3 months, after some quick digging.

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4143000-re-...
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4177161-no-...
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4186431-up-...

Edited by Chrysalis (Wed 07-Aug-13 13:04:30)

Thank you - the concern was due to that nothing has apparently happened yet, and the date changed from 'November' to 'end of year'.

I guess this is going to be one of those where it all happens at once, streetworks suddenly appear for the near future, stuff gets built, stuff goes live.

Thanks.

In reply to a post by Ribble:

I doubt anything has changed from previously

Just a quick question if I may, the 'previously' was that the beastie would be stood in 'late summer'. The summer started on June 21st and ends on September 21st. Cutting it fine?

I wouldn't say so, it only takes a couple days to do the base and stand the cabinet, then wait for the rest.

In reply to a post by Ribble:

I wouldn't say so, it only takes a couple days to do the base and stand the cabinet, then wait for the rest.

Tad more to it than that given some new ducting across the road is needed both to get fibre to this guy and to supply extra e-sides given it's run out of them.

So far precisely nothing has been done at all towards getting this enabled and according to a senior manager within BT there are no timescales as to when anything will happen, hence my concern.

Nothing in the availability checker, apparently no work planned as yet, no registered streetworks, and this guy is going to be ready in 3 months?

I take it my info was of no use to you?

did you check for a speed estimate?

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

I take it my info was of no use to you?

did you check for a speed estimate?

Hi,

There is nothing on the checker beyond a cabinet reference to even indicate plans to enable FTTC let alone a speed estimate.

Address STREET SIDE DSLAM CAB NMCEQI, WAGGON ROAD, LEEDS, LS10 4GT on Exchange HUNSLET is served by Cabinet 82

Available Products

WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 1 -- 1 to 3 Available
ADSL Max Up to 0.75 -- 0.75 to 2.5 Available
WBC Fixed Rate 0.5 -- -- Available
Fixed Rate 0.5 -- -- Available

I think it doesnt look too good for a november activation then.

Things could still happen very quickly of course.

I think the fact that the check shows a dslam means it is at least planned, speed esrimates often don't show until shortly before the cabinet goes live, on the otherhand I've seen them show a long time before the cabinet is even installed.

In my case the checker did not show any FTTC speed estimates until around 2 weeks after the cab had actually been built.

In reply to a post by R0NSKI:

I think the fact that the check shows a dslam means it is at least planned, speed esrimates often don't show until shortly before the cabinet goes live, on the otherhand I've seen them show a long time before the cabinet is even installed.

I entirely agree that it has been planned, it's more the timescales that are the 'issue'. This beastie has a very long story around it going right back to February of 2012.

The issue is more that for the community there are no signs of this. I can give them an esoteric cabinet reference and the same promised date but absolutely nothing else and we're 3 months out.

Ribble has actually been far more informative than Openreach have officially, he's also made them look a bit silly as they have actively claimed that there are no plans, at all, for commencement of construction.

Hi Ribble,

I wonder if the grapevine is sure on this?

I ask as speaking with someone in BT who has been 'watching' this closely they were VERY evasive when I asked where it was in the process. They simply refused to give any detail at all which is odd given the level of detail Tony et al in customer engagement are quite happy to give on a daily basis.

The Force is proving weak for me with this one. I can't even get a second line to bond them for extra performance at the moment.

I'm facing a community meeting in a couple of days which I can't say I'm looking forward to...

EDIT: Never mind:

MY/HLT xx progress is as follows:-
Survey initiated and complete.
Spine cabling has been planned
Mapping for the fibre in the exchange has been completed.

Project is showing that the build work is due to be completed by the end of October, the cabinet will then be passed over to testing and commissioning, which, if all goes OK will mean ready for service in Mid - November.

So I guess everything that needs to be has been planned now. Just a waiting game before build.

Edited by deleted (Mon 19-Aug-13 17:19:59)

Just to close this off there are no streetworks scheduled at this time, however the information is that cabinet, etc, are due for install next month, with 'hopeful' RFS of November.

Or not.

Anyone have any thoughts on what this might mean? This refers to the PCP.

'Four BT vans turned up for the green box and state it is not up to standard for fibre and too far from terminal.'

My confusion here is huge. I've no idea what 'too far from terminal' means, nor why the PCP wouldn't be up to standard, it's a PCP, it has room for tie pairs.

As far as I was aware the only thing that was potentially problematic was that there was no room in ducting to extend the fibre spine to the FTTC cabinet, beyond that I wasn't aware of issues.

Any thoughts on what could be wrong gratefully appreciated.

it is like the blind leading the blind, but here is a punt....

* too far from terminal. = the fibre node in the street is too fare from this cabinet to connect correctly with some form of patch extension cable. e.g. a new fibre connection point node needs to be added into the street

* PCP (existing green box) is either physically too small to add in the extra jumper cables (needs a new shell/expansion added) or something is damaged with the shell/cabling. Soooo this PCP needs a bit of due care and attention to make into a usable state for the fibre links.

that's what I read from this. I do think its still on, but a bit more work is needed, e.g. a 3 mth delay.

I think I've actually worked it out.

There's no range as far as the aggregation nodes go to speak of, fibre is spliced to deliver light not via any kind of patch cables so distance shouldn't be an issue unless talking about a really enormous distance.

The PCP is in decent shape, it's very new, and there's plenty of room inside it for the tie pairs and jumpers.

I suspect the resident was speaking to a group of guys working on a phone fault, specifically that the cabinet has run out of e-sides and there's no room to add more without digging. They may well not be aware the cabinet is getting fibre, the checker isn't aware:

Address STREET SIDE DSLAM CAB NMCEQI, WAGGON ROAD, LEEDS, LS10 4GT on Exchange HUNSLET is served by Cabinet 82

This has no date for a fibre build on the availability checker. A fibre cab not due for fibre.

They may have been referring to being too far from the exchange for decent broadband. According to Openreach records line lengths here are around the 6k mark.

Either way have asked a few questions. I noted that the road has been marked to deliver the extra duct for e-sides. This same duct will be able to take the NGA fibre too.

Or perhaps not.

Unsure how accurate it is but I've been informed it's going onto the delayed indefinitely list.

So perhaps it'll end up as part of BDUK, meanwhile the cabinet a few hundred metres down the road passing 173 premises was upgraded in the spring.

Openreach do indeed work in mysterious ways.

will you move now? as looks bit hopeless.

Either move or rent some office space. The quality of the line has degraded substantially and 2 SFI visits so far have not been able to remedy it.

One last level of engineer to try and if that fails I'll have to rent a desk.

Ping statistics for 212.159.8.2:
Packets: Sent = 100, Received = 94, Lost = 6 (6% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 38ms, Maximum = 157ms, Average = 50ms

Edited by deleted (Tue 10-Sep-13 17:29:11)