FTTP

Spoke to some BT guy the other day working just outside my house and he said my road is getting FTTP, i find this really strange though as the last guy i spoke too about a month ago said i wasn't getting fibre on my road, i even emailed BT and they said no, is there anyway to check online, he said i should have it by the end of march, i find this further strange though as most of my town has FTTC?.

Edited by tomxlisa (Fri 07-Mar-14 21:35:27)

It is not impossible just probability makes it unlikely

What sort of work were they doing in the street? If black tubing with a yellow stripe and no sign of a fibre cab then it might be FTTP

In terms of spotting kit http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/fibre-milton-keynes/ has a raft of FTTP kit

If FTTC is around, could the BT guy have been referring to FTTPoD?

If I put my phone number into this site it says FTTPoD at 330/30 is available.

Edited by billford (Fri 07-Mar-14 22:05:41)

There is a cabinet round the corner which says (Fibre is here on it) it isn't really the fact he said i am getting FTTP which bothers me, any kind of fibre would be good, but i asked the other BT guys and they said no my road isn't being done and even the email said it, but i said to them about my road and they was like yep we are doing your cabinet now as i told them my cabinet number, and they was like its even gonna be FTTP too so your get over 300Mb speeds, maybe they was pulling my leg.

This is a big firm. if you speak to a guy fitting modems in peoples houses and a guy fitting fibre tubes in the street, you are highly likely to different answers. The guy who really knows is a planner that is probably a hundred miles away from both of them.

Edited by deleted (Fri 07-Mar-14 22:04:28)

Doesn't say anything on that for my phone number.

Well the BT guys that i asked was both on the street doing the same job, just the other guys said no i am not getting it and these guys said yep i am getting it and it is FTTP which i am getting, they was like the other guys broke summat so we are here to fix it, then they was like we cant fix it so gonna get someone else out now, so god knows what is happening or even if its the truth that i am getting fibre on my road, hope so as every other road around me has fibre.

The fact that two blokes fitting fibre tubes in the street at the same time gave you two different answers demonstrates my point. The guys will have a job pack that tells them to pull a tube from A to B. It won't mention anything about why! The guys with the big picture are a long way away.

Edited by deleted (Fri 07-Mar-14 22:12:23)

If it's coming, but not yet completely installed, then it won't show as available until it is� I was trying to indicate that they may have been referring to FTTPoD rather than "proper" FTTP.

Strange why they would tell me my road is getting fibre then, maybe they was pulling my leg, but i told them my cabinet number and they was like yeah we are sorting that cabinet out now.

Edited by tomxlisa (Fri 07-Mar-14 22:11:54)

I dunno, just fibre, any type of fibre would be good, that is all i am hoping for, even though i get 20Mb already, i would just like fibre.

If its FTTP then one of these will be being installed on the poles that feed every 10 to 12 houses
http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/fibre-milton-keynes/wgc...

Or if feed through underground ducting it will be placed in a pavement chamber

My hunch is that if they are tubing to a cabinet, it won't be for FTTP, it will be FTTC. In my manor the areas with FTTP don't have tubes going to a cabinet. They have tubes to nodes and tubes to manifolds at the DP. But what do I know.

I dunno, maybe i should look for that, like i said though any kind of fibre will do me, even FTTC, i think after talking on here though maybe the BT guys was having a laugh with me, i guess time will tell.

FTTP, FTTC, any kinda will do me, i was just repeating what they said to me, i don't believe it is FTTP as the rest of my town is FTTC, maybe they was just having a laugh with me as it is weird how the other BT guys told me i aint getting nothing.

I think it's most likely that there's been some loose usage of the word "fibre" leading to misunderstandings� you are getting fibre to your road in the form of FTTC, but (almost certainly) not as FTTP.

To some, fibre is just fibre, others understand there are differences

Also most of the fibre run up to the aggregation node (near to the cabinet) is identical for FTTP and FTTC

What many do not realise is that the FTTC roll-out includes all the fibre and kit to provide FTTP up until the area of the cabinet, hence why the fibre manifold is the only true give away for a street getting FTTP

Nothing is built extra for FTTPoD until someone places an order, ie. areas where FTTPoD can be ordered have exactly the same fibre roll-out as the other areas with FTTC cabinets

FTTC will do me, but even that isn't showing as coming to my area when i check, like i said i was clearly repeating what the guys said to me, i was surprised myself when they said FTTP.

I have seen pictures of the fibre manifold so i will go look soon and see if the pole has one as it is only just outside my house.

From starting the build in an area to appearing on a checker it can be six months or more

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Nothing is built extra for FTTPoD until someone places an order, ie. areas where FTTPoD can be ordered have exactly the same fibre roll-out as the other areas with FTTC cabinets

Not sure I understand- does that mean that any area with FTTC can have FTTPoD, and if not what determines which ones can have it and which can't?

A few people have mentioned tubing in relation to whatever is happening.

You never used that word. Just two BT people doing some work.

What sort of work?

I meant i have seen pictures online so i know what to look out for, not sure what they was doing, they just had the cover up on the pavement and i seen loads of wires in there.

In theory yes any area with FTTC has the pre-requisite aggregation node and fibre to close to the cabinet ready for FTTPoD.

Why limited areas, because BT is not ready to do FTTPoD on demand en-masse.

Of course BT FTTP is GPON which will upset some fibre purists

This is all confusing, i guess it is just a matter of me waiting to see if the words coming from the BT guys is true or false?.

In reply to a post by tomxlisa:

I have seen pictures of the fibre manifold so i will go look soon and see if the pole has one as it is only just outside my house.

If you are getting FTTP via an overhead feed (i.e. from a pole) it'll be unlikely you'll see a manifold on the pole for quite a while yet. The giveaway at this early stage will be if there is a length of fibre tubing coiled up at the base of the pole waiting for the next team to come and run it up the pole and fit the manifold.

In my case it was several months between the tubing being pulled through to the pole via the ducting to the chamber nearby where it was left coiled up (and tucked behind the pole) and the manifold being fitted.

http://blog.thinkbroadband.com/2013/04/it-is-surpris...

Some examples of an area with FTTP roll-out underway but paused.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Some examples of an area with FTTP roll-out underway but paused.

I'm not sure 'paused' is the right word - just waiting for the next team to complete their work.

I don't live a million miles from the examples in your article and can confirm that most of the town (at least 95% according to the Superfast Cornwall site) can now get either FTTP or FTTC (I'd say probably about 50% or possibly more can get FTTP).

Although I do have a friend who is due to have FTTP via overhead feed whose number appeared on the checker last year as FTTP available only for it to disappear, which I can only put down to blocked ducting as the next pole along his street has had the manifold fitted and is 'live'.

In reply to a post by Rastus:

The giveaway at this early stage will be if there is a length of fibre tubing coiled up at the base of the pole waiting for the next team to come and run it up the pole and fit the manifold.

..or a blue "towrope" tied round the base of the pole and feeding down into a hole, leading to the distribution point, ready to pull the fibre tubing through and up to the manifold

Oh my god, this thread in particular makes me hate the fact the marketing department call fttc "fibre" broadband.
Right up there with at&t in America pressuring the standards body to allow them to call dc-hspa 4G.
For goodness sake, terminology is important, it's what allows us to distinguish things in this crazy complicated world.
It makes me wonder what they'll call fttp, is that superfibre? Like what the?

and i seen loads of wires in there.

Well that doesn't sound at all fibrey now, does it !

Amen!

"Superfast" is just as bad. "Next generation" sounds just as fancy in a marketing sense and is more accurate. Ofcom should have made providers use that IMO.

In reply to a post by bgriffiths:

In reply to a post by Rastus:

The giveaway at this early stage will be if there is a length of fibre tubing coiled up at the base of the pole waiting for the next team to come and run it up the pole and fit the manifold.

..or a blue "towrope" tied round the base of the pole and feeding down into a hole, leading to the distribution point, ready to pull the fibre tubing through and up to the manifold

Perhaps a slim chance, but the rope could be there to pull a new copper cable through

Plus, in my experience the manifold won't be there to pull the tubing up to as they're not fitted until the tubing is run up the pole.

Edited by Rastus (Sun 09-Mar-14 01:35:29)

If you have adsl next generation is adsl2+ So not any better as a term

But ADSL2+ never had the tag "superfast" applied to it in the way fibre-based services have.

Hi,

Many areas in Milton Keynes have been waiting since 2011. There has been multiple false starts in many areas.

Anyway, we have some movement. BT completed an industrial estate (Brinklow) in the south east of Milton Keynes in December - a few warehouse. Why.... No idea!

I've been waiting for about 2-3 years. We had all the ducting installed in early summer last year, but, we don't have PONS or manifolds. The installation is all underground. We've had confirmation that would see something by July but we'd had this before - the only difference now is that they've done the industrial estate. We think BT started deployment in my estate but had a duct issue - they've had several. A neighbour found a BT engineer trying to blow fibre down a tube but he admitted he was pulling it out again as it was kinking. Apparently, they are trying higher density fibre tubing and a different fibre manufacturer. The manifolds and PONS could also be a different manufacturer. The Exchange is ECI for FTTC Both my estate and the industrial estate are on Woburn Sands Exchange. FTTP on the Exchange has been referred to as trial on multiple occasions. A trial of what we don't know. The two areas are the last commercial areas on the Exchange. XGPON???

In other parts of MK connected to the Bradwell Abbey Exchange there are large areas within the FTTP trial area which have no FTTP. BT has designated these as commercial (not BDUK) but they contain a large number MDU premises. There is a hint that BT will be trialing FTTDP in the area as it requires very little additional work - despite what people tell you!

I get the impression the trial of FTTP to MDU's was successful (as that was done in Broughton Milton Keynes), but the large brown field trial is a complete failure. BT are now going to move forward with FTTDP. So, in FTTP areas they will deploy now but will skip MDU's and infill with FTTPDP later. The work in MK wouldn't be that extensive. This goes someway to explain why BT have been so slow to deploy FTTP.

I'd not be surprised if that later BDUK areas are FTTPDP instead of FTTP.

Regards,


Gareth