FTTC DLM hit!

Arrrrgggg my FTTC 79999k (fast path) reduced to 72946k (interleaved) earlier this morning for the very first time since FTTC activated last February 2014. My fault really because I swapping over modem about 3 or 4 times yesterday.

Question is how long will the EVIL DLM going to put my line back on fast path with maximum sync.

Here is screenshot of DLM Interleaved below:
http://s5.postimg.org/osnwr6rdz/BTOpenreach_Modem_DL...

High ping and not happy with speed overall:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

I HATE U DLM

Edited by adslmax (Thu 25-Sep-14 17:37:28)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Question is how long will the EVIL DLM going to put my line back on fast path with maximum sync.

Two weeks, maybe four. I hope you had a good reason for messing about with the modem.

P.S. Your image link doesn't work.

Edited by kasg (Thu 25-Sep-14 18:08:59)

Certainly much quicker to interleave you than to restore fastpath. I've just been interleaved too; though I fear in my case it may be general line problems or crosstalk that won't go away even after a few weeks.

Plusnet did warn me it could take up to 6 months from interleaved to fast path and why do DLM love to quickly from fath path to interleaved.

God, I hate BT DLM thing! Unfair play!

Because interleaved is used to mask line problems,that IMO is one of it's main purposes, I'm suprised that it has nobbled your connection as you have spare margin and a high attainable rate, You say that you caused several re syncs, if you are set to the speed/standard dlm profile or whatever the 3 choices open to the isp's are called i 'm sure i read somewhere that the connection would have to loose sync more than 10 times within any 24 hr period ?? less if the other options where in use

^^^ as DLM does confused really. I don't know if my line in these three options standard, speed, stable?

I was DLM'ed earlier in the summer, due to 1 day with a higher-than-normal ES count. My speed went from 79 to 72Mbps, but intervention was only applied to my downstream - while you seem to be hit on both down- and upstream.

It took 8 weeks to restore.

8 weeks!!!! God, I can't wait that long!

I think DLM should restore within 72 hours not [censored] 8 weeks! God damn, i hate BT.

In reply to a post by tommy45:

I'm suprised that it has nobbled your connection as you have spare margin and a high attainable rate,

I noticed that too - it seems strange. My line dropped to 72Mbps, but it didn't have the spare capacity.

However, I have also seen one other line do this recently. It looks like a standard way for BT to run things now.

i 'm sure i read somewhere that the connection would have to loose sync more than 10 times within any 24 hr period ?? less if the other options where in use

I had the same understanding; I've certainly done more than 3 resyncs in a day with no adverse effect on DLM.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

^^^ as DLM does confused really. I don't know if my line in these three options standard, speed, stable?

Plusnet probably know how they request lines to be provisioned. I've heard they go for the speed option, but I haven't seen it definitively from plusnet themselves.

I had power cut last month with 4 times in a space hour but DLM haven't been hit. Don't understand really as I only swap over modem three times but DLM was hit the next morning.

God damn u BT.

Question is what does INP 3.00 (1147) mean?

Plusnet told me ppp session disconnected to different gateway cause DLM. I told them that's rubbish, DLM won't be affect if the openreach modem dsl light stay active at all times. They say no, both router and modem must stay on at all times no disconnection.

Edited by adslmax (Fri 26-Sep-14 02:19:29)

I was hit by DLM for re-syncing my modem 3 times in less than 1 hour.
(Trying to set the configuration to match someone else's which did not work)

It took 14 days for the line to recover and be restored.

My line is 80/20 with little noise but increasing crosstalk due to new cab with growing number of users.

The 10 resysnc rule of thumb is not true from my experience.

I think BT will be more than likely to change the rules for DLM as the network grows.
Also maybe DLM is adaptive as well and it changes its rules over time.

I used to get interleaving applied every couple of months. It took exactly 14 days for it to be removed. Thankfully since the modem firmware updates my line is rock steady.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

They say no, both router and modem must stay on at all times no disconnection.

That seems unlikely- the DLM should only be interested in whether or not you have sync with an acceptable error rate, not whether you're logged in.

Last night my connection was drop (ppp reconnection) because of plusnet current line speed changed from 77.4 Mb to 70.6 Mb. (Hope it doesn't affect DLM)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Question is what does INP 3.00 (1147) mean?

INP stands for "Impulse Noise Protection", and the "3.0" value means 3 symbols. In this sense, a symbol means a number of bits; if I understand it correctly, the "bit loading" for a particular tone is the number of bits carried by each symbol.

What does *that* mean?

The INP value is set by DLM, and is the primary means by which DLM asks for protection against noise to be turned on for your line. This is what we mean by DLM intervention.

When INP is non-zero (in this case 3), DLM is asking the modem to synchronise with INP methods in place, such that any noise burst that destroys up to 3 symbols of data can be recovered. The modem responds by configuring FEC and interleaving in such a way as to make this happen.

If DLM set a higher INP value, it would be asking for additional protection from longer bursts of noise.

I don't know what the "(1147)" means (where did you get it from?) but I'd take a guess that it is a value for the interleaving depth chosen by the modem, as part of its configuration of FEC and interleaving.

DLM making worse on my line now. Not happy at all.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3789458215

I don't think that's DLM, it looks like exchange or backhaul congestion. BT can take a long time to sort that out!

Max that is what I get all the time... Started at full whack for 4 - 5 weeks solid,and now down to 53.....

BT told me when I phoned them up that they couldn't reset the profile.

In worse case, really fed up with it.

Edited by deleted (Fri 26-Sep-14 19:56:57)

IP Profile and PN Current line speed still well above that, or has your sync dropped more?

That certainly doesn't look like a DLM problem. You may have a developing fault that caused your initial Interleaving switch-on.

Can we have a link to your live BQM please?

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Can we have a link to your live BQM please?

Sure here is it:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/3b649f5fbc0...

Have you only set it up today? I thought you had it going from the start?

That's a very high latency. And like me, you should go to bed earlier .

There is nothing I can do about it, nor Plusnet. DLM is under BT control. They put me very high latency as DLM put my line interleaving INP 3.00 (1147) yesterday after 8am. Then last night my connection was drop out because of plusnet ip profile change from 78 Mb to 70.6 Mb as BTw profile reported at 70.6Mbps

Edited by adslmax (Fri 26-Sep-14 20:47:47)

I'm asking what it is now, not what s was then .

Did you unlock your HG612? If so, we could do with the full stats from it.

the full stats already on top of this thread. hg612 unlocked

Those are over 24 hours ago, since when things seem to have got worse. Or have you checked the stats haven't changed?

Even if the connection speeds haven't, what about the error figures?

It's the upstream that is your problem!

Edited by RobertoS (Fri 26-Sep-14 23:08:59)

Please can we see the "Modem info" tab as well .

Edited by RobertoS (Fri 26-Sep-14 23:11:27)

plusnet have been pretty dodgy on performance since the outages. Thats not due to DLM.

really?

I guess you have never been in a oversubbed VM area then?

how about speeds so low that cannot even stream a SD iplayer or SD skygo.

throughput of sub 50kbps on a sunday morning?

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Please can we see the "Modem info" tab as well .

=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= Plink log 2014.09.27 01:08:52 =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=

xdslcmd info --stats
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 37678 Kbps, Downstream rate = 105904 Kbps
Path: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 72946 Kbps

Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 10.3 14.5
Attn(dB): 0.0 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 12.5 -0.4
VDSL2 framing
Path 0
B: 47 28
M: 1 1
T: 64 64
R: 16 10
S: 0.0209 0.0461
L: 24450 6772
D: 1147 679
I: 64 39
N: 64 39
Counters
Path 0
OHF: 102029839 692348
OHFErr: 0 7
RS: 349834529 46331
RSCorr: 13785 178977
RSUnCorr: 0 0

Path 0
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 2068701146 0
Data Cells: 74761583 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0

ES: 0 4
SES: 0 0
UAS: 19 19
AS: 137279

Path 0
INP: 3.00 4.00
PER: 1.34 4.42
delay: 6.00 8.00
OR: 119.38 65.11

Bitswap: 61 147

Total time = 1 days 14 hours 8 min 22 sec
FEC: 13785 178977
CRC: 0 7
ES: 0 4
SES: 0 0
UAS: 19 19
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
Latest 15 minutes time = 8 min 22 sec
FEC: 2 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC: 0 15
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
Latest 1 day time = 14 hours 8 min 22 sec
FEC: 5894 108909
CRC: 0 3
ES: 0 1
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC: 7891 70068
CRC: 0 4
ES: 0 3
SES: 0 0
UAS: 19 19
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
Since Link time = 1 days 14 hours 7 min 59 sec
FEC: 13785 178977
CRC: 0 7
ES: 0 4
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0


xdslcmd info --pbParams
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 37678 Kbps, Downstream rate = 105904 Kbps
Path: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 72946 Kbps

Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (868,1207) (1972,2783)
DS: (32,859) (1216,1963) (2792,3971)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (868,1207) (1972,2783)
DS: (32,859) (1216,1963) (2792,3971)
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Attainable Net Data Rate: 37678 kbps 105904 kbps
Actual Aggregate Tx Power: - 0.4 dBm 12.5 dBm
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 2.4 13.3 20.0 N/A 6.8 15.9 24.7
Signal Attenuation(dB): 2.4 12.3 18.8 N/A 6.8 15.9 24.7
SNR Margin(dB): 14.3 14.7 14.5 N/A 10.4 10.6 10.0
TX Power(dBm): -15.1 -30.4 -0.5 N/A 8.2 7.9 7.0


xdslcmd info --Bits
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 37678 Kbps, Downstream rate = 105904 Kbps
Path: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 72946 Kbps


Here is full stats screenshot:

http://postimg.org/image/ef0v36asj/full/

Edited by adslmax (Sat 27-Sep-14 01:39:35)

ok so you want to be anti social then, fine I will ignore all your future posts while you continue to cover your ears on negative VM feedback.

Looks like it went better at 3 a.m on the BQM.

Edited by deleted (Sat 27-Sep-14 08:27:05)

Just as well my sister doesn't post on here, she would have plenty of negative comments on VM's up to 50 Mbps product that barely gets above 5 Mbps in the evenings. She only sticks with them because it still faster than the 1 Mbps ADSL that she was getting before with BT.

Mind you FTTC should be available in her area soon which has an estimate of around 65/20 for her address so VM could be losing quite a bit of broadband custom in the area.

Yeeeeeesssssss my DLM had been removed last night around 3am. I am now back on full sync rate.

http://s5.postimg.org/j3guyczzb/BT_Openreach_Modem_I...

My speed still 67 Meg as I can see Plusnet Profile still on old one 70.6 Mb as BTw profile report 77.4 Mb. I guess I have to wait for Plusnet profile to be updated.

Updated: plusnet profile now been updated match BT 77.4Mb
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3791053072
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

Edited by adslmax (Sat 27-Sep-14 11:13:30)

See, panic over .

What happened to your live BQM? The link isn't working. I thought you had a static IP address?

And DLM is permanently running on all FTTC lines. Interleaving is just one of its tools. As is INP.

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 27-Sep-14 11:42:55)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

See, panic over .

What happened to your live BQM? The link isn't working. I thought you had a static IP address?

And DLM is permanently running on all FTTC lines. Interleaving is just one of its tools.

Yep I still have static ip address. I just deleted BQM. Put a new one on here: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/0af7e816d57...

In future I must make sure the VDSL2 sync power down for at least 30 minutes before swap over modem. Otherwise DLM will kick in.

Edited by adslmax (Sat 27-Sep-14 11:46:16)

I looked at the new stats, and was going to post that DLM would soon remove the intervention - but that happened before I could get there.

The reason: The ES value was zero - which means that over the course of 1.5 days, you had zero CRC errors. Even the number of blocks corrected by FEC (the RSCorr value) was very low compared to the total number of blocks (the RS value).

It is still weird that DLM chose to intervene on both downstream & upstream though.

Particularly so strongly on the upstream. More likely to be messy insertion of cable plugs with modems and routers turned on than the change of modems as such I think.

My HG612 is unlocked already. But, how do I upgrade to latest firmware A2pv6C038m.d24j ?

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

DLM can hit you anytime for any reason and it can keep you down for months.

Lucky me DLM had removed after 2 days! That's was very quick!

Edited by adslmax (Sat 27-Sep-14 14:29:54)

You need a bigger box for your fantasies too.

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

Mine I am sure is still on after 2 months. never mind

DLM is permanently running on your line when sync'ed.

So, DLM cannot disabled as a request?

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Arrrrgggg my FTTC 79999k (fast path) reduced to 72946k (interleaved) earlier this morning for the very first time since FTTC activated last February 2014. My fault really because I swapping over modem about 3 or 4 times yesterday.

Question is how long will the EVIL DLM going to put my line back on fast path with maximum sync.

Here is screenshot of DLM Interleaved below:
http://s5.postimg.org/osnwr6rdz/BTOpenreach_Modem_DL...

High ping and not happy with speed overall:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

I HATE U DLM

Aww, i feel so sorry for you. you lost a little bit of speed.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Aww, i feel so sorry for you. you lost a little bit of speed.

No, my speed now back at 79999K

Edited by adslmax (Sat 27-Sep-14 18:07:05)

Post deleted by adslmax

Nope.

And on the Openreach DLM which you are, neither can interleaving.

So, I take it as everybody who are on FTTC / FTTP / FTTPoD will be controlled by openreach DLM at all the times 24/7/365 days a year

Edited by adslmax (Sat 27-Sep-14 18:51:05)

Don't know enough about FTTP and FTTPoD, but I doubt if they have the Openreach one controlling the line. Different technology altogether from copper xDSL. They'll still have the IP Profile part of the BT Wholesale one.

Re FTTC, yes - if the modem is sync'ed.

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

There is a guy on the Plusnet forums who rang up because he lost ADSL for 5 minutes.

Takes all sorts

Crazy, I was without broadband for a hour on Saturday and all my video viewing is via broadband. I just read a book instead.

i do not think I would worry about a bit of a drop in speed, not at the speed ADSLMAX have got anyway, if you are getting say only 5 and it drops to 2-3 then that is a different thing.

It seems we want everything as fast as we can, even if we do not use the speed we have got.

Edited by deleted (Mon 29-Sep-14 14:48:01)

True. Some people seems to live in a dream world.

I see that was dated 15/8/2014. A TBB test today would be more believable

No, a TBB test http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/button/13738...

Edited by deleted (Mon 29-Sep-14 21:27:15)

My line was hit by DLM twice this year so far. The first time (Multiple power interruptions caused by faulty UPS) it took around 16 days to restore my connection to its previous 79999/19999.

The second time (No discernible cause) it took around 20/21 days. My connection came back to 79988/19999. Not too bad but I have seen the effect of increased crosstalk due to other lines in the cab being enabled. (Roll on vectoring). I have lost around 23Mbps of attainable rate on the downstream during the last two years.

This one does http://labs.thinkbroadband.com/ispa/

DLM had put me interleaved last night around 3am. Sync rate down to 72000k from 79999k as downstream INP of 3.00 with Billion 8800NL over 113 hours before DLM was hit.

Text

1 23 45 67 89 1011 1213

Per second      Per minute      Per hour        Per day  CRC     Up      0               0               0               0               Down    0               0               0               0         FEC     Up      0.01            0.46            27.8            668             Down    0               0               0               0        HEC     Up      0               0               0               0               Down    0               0               0               0         ES      Up      0.01            0.77            46.4            1113            Down    0.02            1.08            64.9            1559

DLM is pure stupidity. It's just looking how many errors before DLM do something on the line.

FTTC are suppose highest speed. Not [censored] happy about it.

Pete, yeah I know virgin media don't do DLM. But, they do have awful congestion thought.

Edited by adslmax (Sat 04-Oct-14 15:27:07)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

It's just looking how many errors before DLM do something on the line.

Yes. That is the point.

FTTC are suppose highest speed.

Who says? BT's obvious intent is that there is some quality component to the provision, not *just* speed.

This thinking is definitely helped along by their desire to provide broadcast-quality TV OTT of the basic internet provision. Streaming definitely suffers if the quality of the line is not assured, to some level.

If it would not be the end of the world then why do you have two lines?

Post deleted by noppix1

I was hit by DLM adding 8ms interleaving 14 days ago and it has just been removed. I'm now on a sync speed of 72,629kbps against 66,673 with interleaving.

I moved from BT to Plusnet in the interim; I don't believe that made any difference to DLM; I did't even get a modem resync at the changeover time. I'm not seeing significant speed advantage from the DLM change as I am on the Plusnet 40/20.

It does mean I can make some latency comparisons though: ping to bbc.co.uk:
Plusnet, non-interleaved: 10ms
Plusnet, interleaved: 19ms
BT non interleaved: 19ms
BT interleaved: 28ms

Pings are never 100% consistent, but it does seem that averaged out 8ms interleaving adds 9ms to pings. Not sure why.
The high BT pings were due to silly internal BT routing from Winchester to London via Sheffield; and to Sheffield via Sheffield then London before leaving the BT network to make the trip back north again.

yeah latency is better on plusnet than BT.

Also BT had a low amount of permanent jitter on my line as packets were round robined around routers at different latencies to each other.

Edited by deleted (Sun 05-Oct-14 14:16:26)

My FTTC seem to get worse under DLM reduced from 79999K to 72000K and now reduced to 67312K as the downstream SNR reduced from 12.2 to 7.4 and interleaving INP 6.00.

xdslcmd info --stats
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 3
Max: Upstream rate = 28538 Kbps, Downstream rate = 86212 Kbps
Path: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 67312 Kbps

Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 7.4 13.1
Attn(dB): 0.0 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 12.4 -0.4

The recent Ofcom report on broadband performance shows the same thing - Plusnet's latency is, on average, a slight but noticeable notch lower than BT's.

However, Plusnet's speed is a slight, but noticeable notch below BT's.

The former is, I suspect, better routing of Plusnet's links into London. The latter is an impact of Plusnet's internal decision to apply their own profile to downstream connections. IIRC, this lops around 2Mbps off download speeds when sync'ed at 80Mbps.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

DLM is pure stupidity. It's just looking how many errors before DLM do something on the line.

FTTC are suppose highest speed. Not [censored] happy about it.

Pete, yeah I know virgin media don't do DLM. But, they do have awful congestion thought.

No DLM for me.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

My FTTC seem to get worse under DLM reduced from 79999K to 72000K and now reduced to 67312K as the downstream SNR reduced from 12.2 to 7.4 and interleaving INP 6.00.

xdslcmd info --stats
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 3
Max: Upstream rate = 28538 Kbps, Downstream rate = 86212 Kbps
Path: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 67312 Kbps

Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 7.4 13.1
Attn(dB): 0.0 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 12.4 -0.4

max I am afraid that snr reduction is probably not DLM but new crosstalk.

What was the max downstream rate yesterday?

Haven't you got an 150Mb Virgin line??

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

No DLM for me.

Did you finally move to TalkTalk (gulp) ADSL2+ and get DLM switched off?

Edited by deleted (Mon 06-Oct-14 12:34:08)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

My FTTC seem to get worse under DLM reduced from 79999K to 72000K and now reduced to 67312K as the downstream SNR reduced from 12.2 to 7.4 and interleaving INP 6.00.

xdslcmd info --stats
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 3
Max: Upstream rate = 28538 Kbps, Downstream rate = 86212 Kbps
Path: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 67312 Kbps

Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 7.4 13.1
Attn(dB): 0.0 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 12.4 -0.4

max it looks like the snr increase is probably DLM capping your speed

In reply to a post by wolvesmad:

Haven't you got an 150Mb Virgin line??

No, I get rid of it last February because it heavy congestion in my area for cable broadband.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

max it looks like the snr increase is probably DLM capping your speed

yep, look like crosstalk in place!

He moved to wireless broadband from a local supplier.

Interleaving is now removed off. Latest stats:

xdslcmd info --stats
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 5
Max: Upstream rate = 36030 Kbps, Downstream rate = 101008 Kbps
Path: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79999 Kbps

Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 11.8 16.5
Attn(dB): 0.0 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 12.4 -0.3

Since Link time = 18 hours 25 min 23 sec
FEC: 0 137
CRC: 11 9
ES: 9 8
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
#

Edited by adslmax (Tue 07-Oct-14 20:07:32)

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

No DLM for me.

Did you finally move to TalkTalk (gulp) ADSL2+ and get DLM switched off?

Good gracious no, i am still on my Wireless service. How can you think such a thing?

Looks like the noise source has been removed.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

No DLM for me.

Did you finally move to TalkTalk (gulp) ADSL2+ and get DLM switched off?

Good gracious no, i am still on my Wireless service. How can you think such a thing?

Sorry, i'll wash my mouth with water & soap

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

TalkTalk LLU has been on my folks exchange for 3 years. I found out yesterday it has just 9 customers out of 1950!

Fibre launched late lastnight so now I am sure it's going to just sit there empty soon lol

TT - such horrible nasty thing.

What's wrong with TalkTalk LLU other than customer support? No better or worse than other mass market ISPs such BT, Plusnet, Sky etc for the actual service... I'm sure Adrian being on a top class, super duper wireless ISP agrees

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Did you finally move to TalkTalk (gulp) ADSL2+ and get DLM switched off?

Good gracious no, i am still on my Wireless service. How can you think such a thing?

Sorry, i'll wash my mouth with water & soap

So you should

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TalkTalk LLU has been on my folks exchange for 3 years. I found out yesterday it has just 9 customers out of 1950!

Fibre launched late lastnight so now I am sure it's going to just sit there empty soon lol

TT - such horrible nasty thing.

What's wrong with TalkTalk LLU other than customer support? No better or worse than other mass market ISPs such BT, Plusnet, Sky etc for the actual service... I'm sure Adrian being on a top class, super duper wireless ISP agrees

My wireless ISP is not super duper and I have never said it was. It is super duper for people who are not in the position I am in and that was why the network was started, well one of the reason and of cause to make money.

People who lives in the sticks and can not get decent broadband or even none at all can use the service I am on, if the service is in their area and the cost is not bank breaking.

Most of the time the service is fine, they do have a few problems now and again because of the way the service works, when yo have a relay stuck in a farmers field things can go wrong, like sheep getting into the electrics and chewing at cables. even if they are fenced off.

Power cuts, while they have got UPS systems, they fail now and again, but considering how the service works, I am shocked that it is so reliable.

I choose the service I choose, because my ADSL was rubbish, BT as normal was dragging their feet with FTTC, with the dates changing like the wind and i thought it would be nice to support a local company.

Now, your comment about Talk Talk being no better or worse than other mass market providers, you may be right now. But now so long ago Talk Talk was awful, i only knew of one household who had a good Talk Talk service and they did not even live in this city, they lived in a market town a few miles away.

But a few people I know that have moved from Talk Talk ADSl to their FTTC service seems to be having better luck, maybe because they are not using TT equipment.
TT customer service is still iffy, but saying that a friend of mine who went onto TT because they was cheap and gave her a good offer had a good CS response when she phoned them up a week after she got connected, because she was having problems with the router. No iffs or buts they sent her another router. she does now use her own router as she was on the same service I am on, so had a cable router. She changed because she moved into rented accommodation and could not have a module stuck on the roof.

I do not know what I am going to do in the future with my broadband, at the moment I am planning to stay where I am, prices of other providers keep going up and now even TT is now getting close to what I am paying per month. Line rental keeps going up every six months or so, well it seems like it.
If the service I am on price change, then I would think about changing.

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It's nice to see it working out for everyone. When I worked for a wireless ISP in 1999 it failed so I guess it was too early to adopt the tech.

It have came a long way since 1999, other providers do point to point wireless as well, they seem to offer a faster speed at a better price than who I am using,

as i said it is not perfect, but it is certainly better than my ADSL was.

Sure I could now go onto FTTC and i may do at some point, but I do not like all these filters and they have stuck on and other restrictions.

I also am trying to stay away from BT network if I can. but things change and i am not going to say i am never going for FTTC, just no intention at the moment.

I would LOVE to be able to get 72964k.. I was supposed to get 77.8 down and 20 up, but my new line is 43 down and 2.4 up.

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I would LOVE to be able to get 72964k.. I was supposed to get 77.8 down and 20 up, but my new line is 43 down and 2.4 up.

Yes it because of your no dial tone on your phone. Should be fixed today by engineer as you stated on other thread. It should resolved to get full sync rate 80/20.

Well I would love to even get 43 down and 2.4 up, but I cannot even get fibre even though half my road has it

What speeds to you get paul?

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Well we can only get ADSL2+ (no virgin media nor fibre) and can only get 5.9Mb down and 0.93Mb up, when it works that is, been having connection and speed issues since the 25th.
TBB Speedtest 141292577710186231400

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