Cabinet 18 Batley Exchange

I've recently moved in to Birstall; and I'm connected to this cabinet (it's near the end of my road) - broadband speeds are pitiful (when we looked at buying here; the BT checker at the time indicated FTTC was available) - does anyone know when (or even if) it's going to be upgraded ?

Many thanks,

Steve

Can't see any plans for that cab at the moment unfortunately

Ok .. thanks.

An idea what other options I have ? 2.5Mb is simply ridiculously low (I was getting ~ 16Mb at the previous address) - I can't even use my amazon / netflix subscriptions !

Frustrating.

Can you post the stats from your modem here? We need things such as SNR and Attenuation and errors would be good too.

Edited by WelshWArrior (Thu 09-Apr-15 12:38:48)

I know the cab is at the end of my road - but the exchange it a good way beyond that; so I think it's purely down to line length.

Here's my current stats though - just in case I'm missing something !

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 2880 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 53.0 db 31.0 db
Noise Margin 9.1 db 23.0 db

Those stats put you about 3.8km from the exchange - is that correct? If so, the speed's a little low but that's about all you can expect unfortunately

Sounds about right unfortunately - SamKnows puts me about 2.8km from the exchange as the crow flies; so I'd imagine 3.8km is in the right ballpark.

Thanks for your help.

Steve

No probs - fingers crossed your cab gets added to some upgrade plans soon

Try the site below may help


http://www.superfastwestyorkshire.co.uk/


Broadband in Batley

https://www.cable.co.uk/local/broadband/west-yorkshi...

Edited by deleted (Thu 09-Apr-15 13:26:50)

I'm not holding my breath ! We're in Kirklees - which has decided to pull out of "Superfast Yorkshire" in favour of it's own high speed network; which seems to be targeting business users first and domestic users as a 'some point in the future' concern

Ho hum.

I was on a cabinet before i moved that was commercially unviable and BT upgraded it had around 200 homes on that cabinet.

How many homes near you ?
this may help :
https://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm
WF17 9BZ Heathcliffe Close Batley, West Yorkshire 3,059m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 62%
WF17 9DA Dark Lane Batley, West Yorkshire 2,958m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 50%
WF17 9LN Dark Lane Batley, West Yorkshire 2,983m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 100%
WF17 9LP Dark Lane Batley, West Yorkshire 2,779m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 100%
WF17 9LT Pheasant Drive Batley, West Yorkshire 2,683m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 50%
WF17 9LU High Wood Road Batley, West Yorkshire 2,997m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 3%
WF17 9LW Dark Lane Batley, West Yorkshire 2,946m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 75%
WF17 9LX High Wood Road Batley, West Yorkshire 2,870m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 100%
WF17 9LY Pheasant Drive Batley, West Yorkshire 2,810m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 100%
WF17 9NF Pheasant Drive Batley, West Yorkshire 2,697m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 60%
WF17 9NG Caister Close Batley, West Yorkshire 2,673m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 80%
WF17 9PX Stonefield Place Batley, West Yorkshire 2,273m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 5%
WF17 9QA The Green Batley, West Yorkshire 2,576m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 100%
WF17 9QF Welbeck Road Batley, West Yorkshire 2,678m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 100%
WF17 9QG Welbeck Road Batley, West Yorkshire 2,729m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 91%
WF17 9QH The Courtyard Batley, West Yorkshire 2,676m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 100%
WF17 9QJ The Courtyard Batley, West Yorkshire 2,722m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 100%
WF17 9QQ The Courtyard Batley, West Yorkshire 2,646m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 100%
WF17 9QZ Bempton Grove Batley, West Yorkshire 2,505m ADSL ADSL2+ P18 4%

Edited by deleted (Thu 09-Apr-15 13:40:52)

We're in a fairly large residential area - is there any way of finding out how many users our exchange serves (and how did you get BT to do the upgrade if it was commercially unviable ?)

Steve

I Emailed BT and that was the reply i got, then 2 years they upgraded it using the superfast west yorkshire funding.

Your area looks a lot bigger and im sure BT have a eye on it ,but may need a push , have you registered on BTs web site for fibre that way it show an interest and they have a idea if its worth it sooner rather than later.

https://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/MYBAT

15,519 residential premises
1,144 non-residential premises.

Yeah - I've registered my interest with BT. However as I mentioned previously - Kirklees council have opted out of Superfast West Yorkshire. Which seems to be a strange decision given that the replacement vision is going to take a couple of years to implement.

Frustrating times !

http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/calc/index.php?param=RG...

If you can get the ISP to tweak the target noise margin down you can gain some more speed, and should only need a little more to gain enough to do basic streaming.

EMBIRSS which is the Birstall exchange and seems to fall under Leicester BDUK project does not seem to have WBC ADSL2+ available which explains the 448 Kbps upload, but there is LLU with ADSL2+ and going to ADSL2+ will boost upload and might give a little more speed and would also avoid the annoying IP Profile that can be an issue on IPStream Max exchanges. General rule is if only Max available but LLU available then use that.

Edited by MrSaffron (Thu 09-Apr-15 20:24:05)

Local knowledge for the win...

I think the guy is in the Kirklees village/town Birstall, which is covered by the Batley exchange.

Bummer is that Kirklees isn't part of the Superfast West Yorkshire project so no BDUK, they're doing their own thing.

So Batley exchange does have WBC on it, so should be ADSL2+ already.

This makes the upstream at 448 Kbps a little odd, it may be the line has been banded, since WBC ADSL2+ should generally sync the upstream at anything but 448 Kbps.

Ok - I'm with BT - are they generally amenable to doing this kind of thing ? It's been a long time since I've had to argue with anyone over ADSL lines - certainly not since the early days when I arranged to have interleaving turned off because it was killing my latency !

Steve

Usually easier with other providers, but should be possible if you have a day to waste.

Plenty of spare noise margin on the upstream, and downstream has a little spare. I presume you've already tested and resolved any wiring conflicts, i.e. tested the line from the test socket and got the same statistics.

Also worth finding out what ADSL mode you are connecting with, e.g. G.992.1 or G.992.3 or G.992.5 (ADSL, ADSL2 or ADSL2+) decent modems include this along with the connection stats.

I've got a Netgear DGND3300; which unfortunately doesn't tell me what kind of ADSL mode I'm connecting with - that I can see at least.. Any ideas how I can check (or what to look for given the mode isn't displayed obviously anywhere ?) - I've telnet'd into the router and had a poke with the adltctl commands; but again nothing obvious...

And yes; the house wiring is fine - BT installed a brand new master socket when we moved in a few months ago; no extensions in the house to ruin things

Edited by deleted (Fri 10-Apr-15 18:08:07)

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adslctl info --show adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY statusStatus: ShowtimeRetrain Reason: 8000 Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 1035 Kbps, Downstream rate = 5115 KbpsLink Power State: L0 Mode:                   ADSL2Channel:                Fast Trellis:                U:ON /D:ONLine Status:            No Defect Training Status:        Showtime                Down            Up SNR (dB):       12.4            5.6Attn(dB):       44.5            24.0 Pwr(dBm):       0.0             12.6Max(Kbps):      6112            1056 Rate (Kbps):    5115            1035

Output should be something like - and the MODE line is the key

Mmm.. interesting

I get G.DMT for the mode...

# adslctl info --show
adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: ShowtimeRetrain Reason: 8000
Channel: INTR, Upstream rate = 448 Kbps, Downstream rate = 2880 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: G.DMT
Channel: Interleave
Trellis: ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 9.4 23.0
Attn(dB): 53.0 31.0
Pwr(dBm): 18.1 12.5
Max(Kbps): 3232 1168
Rate (Kbps): 2880 448

Edited by deleted (Fri 10-Apr-15 18:10:24)

Time to pester ISP - since ADSL2+ is available for you both LLU and WBC from BT Wholesale.

Will do -thanks for all your help !

Any pointers for the best approach; or is it easiest to just ring up and complain ?

Steve

so which cab was that which was upgraded

ignition -- dont think they are doing anything from what i can see -- read in my inbox

The OpenReach status on my cabinet has changed from under review to Enabled Area - I don't suppose anyone can see if it's been added to any kind of plan ?

Cheers,

Steve

Yes,it is planned to be upgraded

Wooo !

That's brilliant news - any idea on timescale ? I'm trying to set the expectation of my not-very-patient stepson

Come back same time next year for an update !

Ha ha ... that soon eh ? Oh well. I only bought this house 12 months ago; I'm sure I can live.

Cheers for your help,

Steve